johnnyboxer Posted March 23, 2015 Report Share Posted March 23, 2015 Anybody got any any goods pics or vids, looks like it was a monster day with some massive scores posted, so any action would be gratefully received for those who didn't attend Well done Dibs on the new Vertigo and Dan Peace who manged a Top Ten place on both days Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biigbob Posted March 23, 2015 Report Share Posted March 23, 2015 It was too hard! Watching the best Brits and one Spaniard scrabbling across gripless cambers for a succession of fives was not a great spectacle. All trials should have shades of difficulty in the sections. If we dont take immediate action, the entries will be back to single figures again! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biigbob Posted March 23, 2015 Report Share Posted March 23, 2015 It was too difficult. Watching the best Brits and one Spaniard scrabbling for grip across the steep cambers for a succession of fives was not a great spectacle. If action is not taken before the next round, entries will be back to single figures again! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnyboxer Posted March 23, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 23, 2015 So, in that vain.................a BTC with a score of 5 for the winner is too easy? British rounds in the 1980's were oversubscribed, by good Centre riders and Britain's best Trials talent and the winner took it on 20-30-40 marks lost, but these were typically road trials, on single laps Maybe Butser was too hard, but look at the 1988 video and it was hard then - but after all there was a winner at Butser yesterday on a brand new marque - so not all bad Maybe the BTC should adopt a SSDT formula, with some long sections and a bit of roadwork, the SSDT doesn't seem to suffer from lack of interest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biigbob Posted March 23, 2015 Report Share Posted March 23, 2015 5 marks lost winner? not in the results i've seen! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackm Posted March 23, 2015 Report Share Posted March 23, 2015 (edited) James Dabil won with 49 marks lost, with tenth place at 101 marks lost. Edited March 23, 2015 by jackm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jordi Posted March 23, 2015 Report Share Posted March 23, 2015 Anybody got any any goods pics or vids, looks like it was a monster day with some massive scores posted, so any action would be gratefully received for those who didn't attend Well done Dibs on the new Vertigo and Dan Peace who manged a Top Ten place on both days Have a look here. Gloria's Trialspic site. . http://mosstrialspics.co.uk/NationalRound2ButserLimeworks2332015/index3.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pschrauber Posted March 23, 2015 Report Share Posted March 23, 2015 Looking at the pictures it looks good, and apperently not to difficult for a national event if you familiar with the ground*. The ground seems to be likewise the one we have here, a lot of sand with steep up's and downs and roots inbetween. I think that many riders are not so familiar with the ground, it's all about not to loose traction and the right track. At the last event with likewise ground I was riding together with two guys from abroad one from Austria and the other from Finland, they were too not familiar with the ground and had some concerns. On a ground like this clutch is rarely necessary also hopping around won't have the same good effects, just smooth riding with some speed in a higher gear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neils on wheels Posted March 23, 2015 Report Share Posted March 23, 2015 It was too hard! Watching the best Brits and one Spaniard scrabbling across gripless cambers for a succession of fives was not a great spectacle. All trials should have shades of difficulty in the sections. I don't agree. I was there and found it refreshing to see some open sections not just tight turns & big steps. In the Championship class only two sections weren't cleaned. No section was fived by every rider on every lap. Looking at the pictures it looks good, and apperently not to difficult for a national event if you familiar with the ground*. The ground seems to be likewise the one we have here, a lot of sand with steep up's and downs and roots inbetween. I think that many riders are not so familiar with the ground, it's all about not to loose traction and the right track. At the last event with likewise ground I was riding together with two guys from abroad one from Austria and the other from Finland, they were too not familiar with the ground and had some concerns. On a ground like this clutch is rarely necessary also hopping around won't have the same good effects, just smooth riding with some speed in a higher gear. I agree it was good to see two young riders Dan Peace & Jack Price in the top 10. Interesting too, to see how Casales struggled with the different sections and conditions. In contrast see how the Southern guys who understand better how to ride these conditions fared: Sam Haslam & Sam Connor in 3rd & 4th. All that being said, I was talking with Steve Saunders at the top of section 6, he was a bit miffed as the section had been stiffened up by the club since he had set it out last week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gasgas249uk Posted March 23, 2015 Report Share Posted March 23, 2015 One thing really surprised me yesterday at the trial. One championship rider was walking my section and he said 'Riding up these banks isn't trials. The Land we've got is much better with more rocks'. I asked him "So you not normally ride on land like this with huge hills and climbs ? " and he replied 'no' citing the Penrith venue as being much better and just perfect. His mates all around 20 years agreed with him. I was blown of my feet !!!. My Christ !!! I couldn't believe what I was hearing. Have we bred a generation of riders who are only interested in small venue Hop skip and jump trials ?. A generation of trials riders who don't think hills and climbs should be in sections ? It sounded like these boys want to be hopping on the level jumping up steps and that's all they're interested in. This is obviously all led by WTC events which are exactly this. ...... but what a crying shame. I've never felt so detached from modern trials. If these boys are representative of the others then BTC trials has turned a huge huge corner away from anything I consider to be the best type of event. What ever the severity of the event. .... In my opinion Butser is an amazing venue ........ but is becoming clear to me that land like this isn't wanted by the young riders coming through. We're this lads representative of most out there ? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
telecat Posted March 23, 2015 Report Share Posted March 23, 2015 My Son is pretty much that type of Rider. Doesn't fancy the SSDT or Scott, too boring between sections, but he does prefer a variety of terrain. However give him some rocks and he loves it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fredadams Posted March 23, 2015 Report Share Posted March 23, 2015 I rode at Butser yesterday and really enjoyed it. I'm from Bristol so don't have the 'luxury' of riding rocks all the time, and had a chance to ride terrain at a national level that was similar to what I'd ride usually. Yes it was hard and I don't confess to being a top rider, but I still finished and didn't pack up and leave just because things weren't going my way! Sections were layed out well, in the sense that they were flowing and genuinely rideable no stop! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huski Posted March 23, 2015 Report Share Posted March 23, 2015 Main problem is there's nowhere else like Butser and many riders have never ridden anything like and consequently struggled,thankfully it didn't rain It was a bit too hard for most and the nature of the place can be a bit clean or 5.Casales is world class and he looked to be struggling all day so no wonder some lesser riders were less than impressed A championship should test riders on all types of going not just rock steps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
micm Posted March 23, 2015 Report Share Posted March 23, 2015 "All that being said, I was talking with Steve Saunders at the top of section 6, he was a bit miffed as the section had been stiffened up by the club since he had set it out last week." The sections were inspected by the importers last Friday in my presence. They walked the whole course and climbed every section including numbers 5 and 6. They made suggestions for altering each section which were acted upon. They said their general aim was to ensure that all the rounds of the BTC were at the same level of hardness across the whole country as organisers sometimes either made them too hard or too easy. These gentlemen all had northern accents. In East Hampshire and West Sussex we have big hills and giant beech trees. The beech trees have sinuous roots that are everywhere close to the surface, polished just waiting for the unsteady rider. The average section can rise maybe 50, 75 even a 100 feet no problem and often have a downhill to match the up. Even novice riders often ride 300s as there is nothing bigger and probably will be familiar with 4th gear in a section. The Butser trial was not really much harder than to local riders than an A route on a Bognor MCC or South Coast Group trial and maybe a tad easier than the Alton MCC Selborne Solo can be, especially in the wet. One local village where we set events is called 'Steep' and it is. I could see the best riders learning to deal with these sections as the trial progressed and watching Alexz Wigg clean number 10 on his last lap was a pleasure indeed, likewise Jorge Casales on section 12. I suggest that if the BTC is 'British' then it should represent all the geographical character of this country in its abundant variety. Regards Sporting Agent Butser Limeworks 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guys Posted March 23, 2015 Report Share Posted March 23, 2015 (edited) I only see 2 or 3 different routes in each section and no really young contenders in the pictures posted above. Maybe, to attract more youth, or more contenders in general, they can make more different classes. In Belgium, also in the National events and Germany, France and Holland for instance, there are 4 or 5 different routes, from absolute beginners to expert. Edited March 23, 2015 by guys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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