japes1275 Posted March 25, 2015 Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 Deryk, would that be what was called the Shawforth Shake later on? I remember following my dad around on his 500T with me on my push bike in the late 70's. I'm not a fan of the bikes mentioned earlier, whether they exist or are used is by the by but to me they've no place in any trial that comes under the name of classic. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
japes1275 Posted March 25, 2015 Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 I did but it was hard work on my old 3 speed treader! It was better when I got my TY to play around on but I seem to remember having to stick to the area around the car park. I remember it being quite bleak up there and I remember the pub well! When I started riding my C15 I stuck to the Y&L events so I don't think I ever actually rode in the Shawforth. It must be over 30 years since I last went. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
totalshell Posted March 25, 2015 Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 sad to say that the shake is taking something of an enforced break at the moment. run for many years under the wings of rochdale and district club as a round of yorkshire classics excellent premier championship. last held on 29 September 2013 the route much shorter for the last dozen years or so since the land closest to the village was 'developed' the site and access roads are now part of ongoing dash for green energy as windfarms are developed on/ adjacent to the site and the quarry is been excavated for 45000 cubic meteres of stone for the turbines access roads.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie prescott Posted March 25, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 Hi Guy's. Hi Deryk. Back to the subject!!! So what you are really telling me is that If there is not a trials series for the "Super Cub" engined machines to ride in, we or I should try to organise trials for this type of machine? Well if I did it would be named the Classic "Specials" trial, this should just about cover 88 percent of the current machines competing in the Classic Trials Scene. There would be a class for the "Otter's" as number one. "Super Cubs" number two. Ground up imitation "Britshocks" and "Trickshocks" number three. And "Tweaked Twinshocks" Number four, this would be any with the head angle altered, lenghened swinging arms, and footrest position changed all would have two drum brakes. Who would do the scrutineering?? I would. Interested anyone? Run to Express Trial Format. Regards Charlie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suzuki250 Posted March 25, 2015 Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 (edited) Its cost £1000 + many hours of work to build a bike that’s not really suitable for modern or classic trials with a Chinese engine! Yet it’s possible to purchase a good usable twinshock for around £800 - £1000 that can be used at twinshock & modern trials So what’s the point of the project, because it’s not really a cheap way into classic trials? Edited March 25, 2015 by suzuki250 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
japes1275 Posted March 25, 2015 Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 I agree totally with Suzuki250. I've just rebuilt my C15 over the last year or so (I'll put up some photos sometime) and I've put about £1200 into it. It's probably worth about £3k (well I wouldn't sell it for much less!) and I don't class that as a lot of money for a reasonably competitive real classic trials bike. Yes I could have chucked thousands at it and made it more competitive but it would have spoilt it. If I'd have wanted a bike I could have ridden harder sections on I would have just bought a decent twinshock. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ourian Posted March 25, 2015 Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 As an engineer you should be well familiar with tolerances and the reason we have them, unfortunately for yourself the 'super cub' has been manufactured outside of 'acceptable' tolerances and does not 'fit' the current specification for classic trials. Personally I don't see a problem with the Otter as it's silhouette is that of a 'classic' trials bike, your problem here is that it's frame and engine were never produced during the 'classic' trials era. The frame is a new design based on tweaks made to conforming 'classic' frames and the engine is a tweaked 'replica' of an engine from the 'classic' period. So yes if you want to use either in a trials series you are going to have to organise trials for this type of machine. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suzuki250 Posted March 25, 2015 Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 Just out of interest, it has C90 on it but how much was manufactured by Honda? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_earle Posted March 25, 2015 Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 To build a bike from the ground up and then to ride it in a trial must be the most enjoyable and satisfying way to enjoy the sport. A class is needed for bikes like this along with the modified ones where they can compete properly with others. It's not fair for them to compete with the big old heavy bikes. It can't be much fun riding unclassified and not being in the results either. The bikes are more suited to classic trials as the types of sections are ideal for them. Get campaigning and ear bending for some new classes next season, Untill then go out and enjoy the bikes, Have fun and keep a low profile so as not to upset the organisers you need to ass kiss to get your class. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ducman Posted March 25, 2015 Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 Dead easy Twinshocks up to 1985. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobb Posted March 25, 2015 Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 i cant see the difference between the bikes john builds and a 2015 bantam of trick majesty or a fantic with monoshock engine its the rider that will win the trial not the bike 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suzuki250 Posted March 25, 2015 Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 i cant see the difference between the bikes john builds and a 2015 bantam of trick majesty or a fantic with monoshock engine its the rider that will win the trial not the bike I'll ride my gasgas in the pre65 then and leave the bantam at home 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_earle Posted March 25, 2015 Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 i cant see the difference between the bikes john builds and a 2015 bantam of trick majesty or a fantic with monoshock engine its the rider that will win the trial not the bike Then why are they building these light little bikes then? O.k Trials is down to the rider to a big extent, But stick Toni Bou on a big heavy twinshock and see how he does against the others on lighter bikes. A group of older gents, Very good riders all about the same level but are getting on a bit, arthritis, back trouble etc, The lighter bike will always be the advantage. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dursleydabber Posted March 25, 2015 Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 Like Deryk I took up Pre65 trials because I could not afford to buy a modern bike.Pre65 eligibility rules have all gone out off the window as far as I'm concerned.I really do get sick off people arguing over it because deep down I think we all know what's right or wrong!My bikes have always been right and im one off the youngest guys thats grown up within the movement!I won a national championship on an big banger last year (against a hoard off brand new replicas) with original frame,forks,mag wheels etc and no one gets to know about it!A guy wins the Pre65 scottish on a BRAND NEW bike thats ressembles nothing that was rode before 1965 and overnight he becomes a national hero!Its a real kick in the teeth,so who do we blame?!Some riders have always sought to bend the rules to gain an edge,its very hard to stop them without upsetting them cos they always say they have done nowt wrong!Jon has always bent the rules ever since he used to ride a CCM based bike in Pre65 in the early 80's.He was after all one off the Cheltenham Cheats!All the cheats also happened to be bloody good riders to! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dursleydabber Posted March 25, 2015 Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 Rant cont, Deryk is the only person in my humble option,in the original Sammy series,to get the eligibility rules right in this country.He came under alot off flack during his time,(remember the fiddle you was presented at gv dinner Deryk)but he always stuck to his rules no matter who you was.I remember one day a certain ex works star was getting the treatment for having BSA four bolt forks in(a particular bugbear off Deryks)He was not a happy bunny!Organisers note,just use Deryks old rules! Simple!Now I think its got so far out off hand,only some sort off minimum weight per class rule would work!Say 260lbs for Pre Unit Springer,280lbs for pre unit Rigid etc This would negate the use of trick bits!Also possibly minimum wheelbase and ground clearance measurements with rider normally seated,?Would we all agree on the criteria? I don't think so!Deryk was the Ariel you rode in the original Shake the one I have now?Your right we had our disagreements but never really fell out!Great days! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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