b40rt Posted March 26, 2015 Report Share Posted March 26, 2015 (edited) Appreciate the response, but where does age come into 'pot hunter' and 'Genuine Enthusiast' ? My son is 13 - if he won it would be on ability, and he has equal or more genuine enthusiasm for Pre 65 than most people (he lives and breathes it) Pot hunters look for easy opposition, pre 65 enthusiasts ride for the sport. Haven't met your son so can't comment. Shame the Scottish 2 day doesnt do likewise IMHO Not many 13 year olds in the Pre65, or winners under 40. Edited March 26, 2015 by b40rt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jj65 Posted March 26, 2015 Report Share Posted March 26, 2015 I do understand were your coming from concerning pot hunting and obviously a good 13 year old rider will be more physically able than most the creeking (falling apart around the seems) old boys, but It doesn't matter about age, what counts is enthusiasm and enjoyment, one day he may be running a club, clerk of the course, observer Nd still riding when he's 65. Surely, as has been said, when you sign on at a trial, you accept how the organisers of the trial wish to run it, if you don't like it, go somewhere else, but the most important factor is having fun, enjoying yourself and not taking it TOO seriously. Mr Bliss doesn't do himself any favours, as he annoys quite a few people with his antics on and off the bike. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_earle Posted March 26, 2015 Report Share Posted March 26, 2015 Classic trials does not include big obstacles and such that would give a youth much advantage, It's more balance and control and to be honest most middle aged guys have more bulk and are more capable of man handling an old bike around anyway. Seems like some miserable old gits just don't want their 40+ odd years of experience shown up by a lad. Youths are the future of trials it doesn't matter if it's modern or classic. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
japes1275 Posted March 26, 2015 Report Share Posted March 26, 2015 I started riding in Pre 65 when I was 15 and never had any problems, in fact I was welcomed. I seem to remember at that time if you were under 40 you started off with 10 marks though!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b40rt Posted March 26, 2015 Report Share Posted March 26, 2015 Classic trials does not include big obstacles and such that would give a youth much advantage, It's more balance and control and to be honest most middle aged guys have more bulk and are more capable of man handling an old bike around anyway. Seems like some miserable old gits just don't want their 40+ odd years of experience shown up by a lad. Youths are the future of trials it doesn't matter if it's modern or classic. Contrary as always. "Classic Trials doesn't include big obstacles" you haven't ridden the pre 65 Scottish ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bisby Posted March 26, 2015 Report Share Posted March 26, 2015 I am sure if Johns cub had a conventional fuel tank and bigger frame down tubes there would be less fuss. looking at the results he came 17th out of 26 entered, not what you would call a pot hunter? As for young riders competing with older riders the older riders should be happy to see them, they will keep these great old bikes going in the future. I remember going to Pre 65 trials with the Morewood family, Alan would be on his big Ariel or Enfield and a young Davy was on a Bsa bantam, Davy has years later won the Pre 65 Scottish 2 day, he is a few months younger than me and I am 50 this June! Ps I had a lot of fun riding in last Sundays Twinshock National, Thanks to the Congleton club for all there hard work. Stephen, 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
totalshell Posted March 26, 2015 Report Share Posted March 26, 2015 come one come all 13 or 113.. actually the amca limit is 12.. many clubs though run 16 yorks classic has just moved to 14 minimum age 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon v8 Posted March 26, 2015 Report Share Posted March 26, 2015 Looks like I was a bit hasty in my criticism of the ACU,just lifted this from their website; PLEASE NOTE: FOR 2016 IT IS INTENDED THAT A COMPLETE REVIEW OF ALL THE CLASSES WILL BE UNDERTAKEN AS THE TRIALS AND ENDURO COMMITTEE REMAIN OF THE VIEW THAT THE ORIGINAL PHILOSOPHY OF THIS SERIES IS BEING LOST AND NEEDS EXAMINATION Be interesting to see what they come up with. I'll just take my in the queue.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dursleydabber Posted March 26, 2015 Report Share Posted March 26, 2015 I started pre65 when I was twelve(now in my mid 40`s) and have never had any interest in modern trials.I was brought up around British machinery esp Norton's (I'm 4th generation Norton owner in my family)! It was inevitable that I was gonna be into old bikes and I love it! I love the sounds, the smells® the whole process of maintainance, engineering,building, research, history, competing, cleaning, preparation, comeraraderie, success, failure(not so much),organising events,helping others,going to museums and shows,jumbles,riding in,snow,rain,fog, heat and even biblical mayfly hatches!,and all the other things that go into being an enthusiast! But certainly not a pot hunter!(there are so few pots to hunt in Pre65 anyway trust me!)There's a big difference between a genuine young enthusiast and a young modern rider who borrows Daddy's brand new Cub or Ariel just to get his face in the paper at a big event!Over the years there have been a few incidences where I've been discriminated against because of my age but mainly I have had encouragement!We need as many youngsters as we can get to carry it all on!Encourage them!The early Golden,Valley trials(80`s) had a schoolboy Pre65 class(G) 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dursleydabber Posted March 26, 2015 Report Share Posted March 26, 2015 They must have heard our rantings! Glad to see the ACU are changing the rules for the Sammy Champs for 2016. What do we all think the classes should be then? Answers on a postcard please! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
breagh Posted March 27, 2015 Report Share Posted March 27, 2015 I must admit I know little about the Pre 65 Scene however T/S does interest me. Surely allowing any modifications apart from what is considered "reasonably practical" is making a stick for your own back? As for "new " T/S I think this is great,but they should be in with the modern stuff can't see them being a disadvantage on your average modern clubman route. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metisse Posted March 27, 2015 Report Share Posted March 27, 2015 The looping out of the sections and or not adhereing to the imaginary line between markers is my pet hate... that is something the Frenchies love doing and see little wrong in it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ducman Posted March 27, 2015 Report Share Posted March 27, 2015 (edited) Do not bann the young people from Classic Trials.It is not good,as we all get older,and older and later there is nobody.Trouble is that some peolple live in the past.I#am now 52.I stopped with modern trials in 87 the get back in classic in 94,bought 2 Kawasaki KT 250 and wanted to ride twinshock in our country.I thought a Kt was a classic bike.Anyway me and me mate Ralph(1974 Bulto) turned on at the first round of the year.Both 31 years old.These "Old"guys looked at us in the paddock like aliens.Anyway we get penalty points as we were not old enough.40 was the limit to start with zero.We rode the trial(expert class)endet up with a win and 3rd and get dead last.Next month clean on the weekend an dead last.So we decieded to buy/build a pre 65 bike because this was boaring.Lot of peole said go riding modern.But we were not intersted in moderns.Anyway a year later we turned up with a 500 Triumph Twin and my mate with a BMW R 26.First ammount from the wise people was "Now you have propper bikes",but they are not competitive,The Triumph is too heavy and too long.The BMW is the same and now power.You better bought a B 40,C 15 or Cub.Our answer was:we love these bikes,because we enjoy the sound,smell and they are different.They where always complaing.We enjoyed riding them.After a couple of years we were acceptet as a rider and a person.The Triumph is sold since 08,still have my Duc and the 50cc Hercules for pre 65 and enjoy riding my Yam's and Majesty's in the Twinshock class.Lot of the "Wise"people are no longer riding or swapped to "not propper"bikes as they getting older.In my opinion it is the person on the bike or in the padock that count's not the bike,either twinshock or pre 65,both are classic bikes.For my agegroup the twinshock's are defenetly classic bikes as most of us rode them when we were young lads and so we have a realation and good memories(more or less) with these bikes.Potthunters:I know a lot of " wise" people in my country who are pothunters.When i ride sometimes my 50cc i can not ride it in expert as it is not possible.I drop a class down,if i won a pot,i give it to the last rider in the "woblers"class,as it is not my class.But i enjoy riding that little bike.So,please feel the young lads welcome and let them take our sport in the next generation. Edited March 27, 2015 by ducman 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suzuki250 Posted March 27, 2015 Report Share Posted March 27, 2015 The first new ACU should be: Any persistent moaners should face a lifetime ban and be advised to take up another sport Second rule: Anyone still using original BSA forks should be classed as insane 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b40rt Posted March 27, 2015 Report Share Posted March 27, 2015 So there is no confusion, I'm not against young riders. Ok ? The point being there are some extremely talented young guys on trick bikes, and the danger is that sections are tightened up to take marks off them. The following youtube gives an example of a very talented rider, I have no idea who he is and I'm not picking on him or saying he's a pot hunter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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