dadof2 Posted May 17, 2015 Report Share Posted May 17, 2015 Above link should show one video and lead on to a second. Yeadon & Guisely club are running a superstars trial week after Penrith WTC. I am posting these old videos for several reasons. Heavy bikes no bar to enjoyment of sport 50 riders on same WTC level course Winner on over 70 marks yet as far as I know no one complained or was injured Somehow trials needs to get back to (or at least some way nearer) this type of event / sections even if the winner only looses a few marks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigel dabster Posted May 18, 2015 Report Share Posted May 18, 2015 Unless you have a time warp machine your idea will never happen. Having turned up at a trial with a well fettled bultaco only to find that the points didnt fancy a day out Im guessing you are in a minority of wanting twinshocks drum brakes and points. Let me explain in case you're blinkers are still on, lads starting out now can do no more (other than the bikes are sooo much better) than they could in the 70's. The standard of Bou raga et al is significantly better than the also rans at wtc. Our best in the uk is 5/6th in the world and hes head and shoulders above others in BTC. The best half dozen in this country probably could get round a wtc but would likely be very near maximum, look at jack shepards scores (at least hes trying) in recent wtc's. You question should be why are our countrys top ten not competing, not suggesting a twinshock solution. You cant turn the clock back 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnyboxer Posted May 18, 2015 Report Share Posted May 18, 2015 Unless you have a time warp machine your idea will never happen. Having turned up at a trial with a well fettled bultaco only to find that the points didnt fancy a day out Im guessing you are in a minority of wanting twinshocks drum brakes and points. Let me explain in case you're blinkers are still on, lads starting out now can do no more (other than the bikes are sooo much better) than they could in the 70's. The standard of Bou raga et al is significantly better than the also rans at wtc. Our best in the uk is 5/6th in the world and hes head and shoulders above others in BTC. The best half dozen in this country probably could get round a wtc but would likely be very near maximum, look at jack shepards scores (at least hes trying) in recent wtc's. You question should be why are our countrys top ten not competing, not suggesting a twinshock solution. You cant turn the clock back Still a good video though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faussy Posted May 18, 2015 Report Share Posted May 18, 2015 (edited) Unless you have a time warp machine your idea will never happen. Having turned up at a trial with a well fettled bultaco only to find that the points didnt fancy a day out Im guessing you are in a minority of wanting twinshocks drum brakes and points. Let me explain in case you're blinkers are still on, lads starting out now can do no more (other than the bikes are sooo much better) than they could in the 70's. The standard of Bou raga et al is significantly better than the also rans at wtc. Our best in the uk is 5/6th in the world and hes head and shoulders above others in BTC. The best half dozen in this country probably could get round a wtc but would likely be very near maximum, look at jack shepards scores (at least hes trying) in recent wtc's. You question should be why are our countrys top ten not competing, not suggesting a twinshock solution. You cant turn the clock back I couldn't DISAGREE more with everything in this post if it was possible. The original poster was hypothesising the return to that level of trials, not a return to those exact bikes. If you are blaming a points ignition system (the simplest of igntion systems!!) for an ill running bike, then it is anything but a well fettled bike. You also seem to lack the understanding that when the overall difficulty of a trial drops, the riders scores will concertina. Why do you struggle to understand this? Edited May 18, 2015 by faussy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cleanorbust Posted May 18, 2015 Report Share Posted May 18, 2015 Well, that's him told! I suppose the relevant question may be, if the trial was run in 2015 with exactly the same sections, what score would Dabill/Brown manage? Half the 1970s winning total? Surely. Less than 10? Clean? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigel dabster Posted May 18, 2015 Report Share Posted May 18, 2015 Clean. I was there at the superstars in Pately bridge was it 77? Not saying that was the video but a few of the sections were very similar to the Yorkshire centre trial i rode yesterday, things really have moved on that much. there was an SWM there though, just the one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigel dabster Posted May 18, 2015 Report Share Posted May 18, 2015 I couldn't DISAGREE more with everything in this post if it was possible. The original poster was hypothesising the return to that level of trials, not a return to those exact bikes. If you are blaming a points ignition system (the simplest of igntion systems!!) for an ill running bike, then it is anything but a well fettled bike. You also seem to lack the understanding that when the overall difficulty of a trial drops, the riders scores will concertina. Why do you struggle to understand this? If you disagree then be more specific with what and why, it would be nice to debate points rather than say I disagree? I can assure you that fettling a bultaco well was never a guarantee the points would always be 100% reliable, unless you know different? Yes i stand corrected that he was suggesting a return to this level of trials but would many superstars turn up to lose 1 or 2? I dont struggle to see that difficulty drops scores will be closer together who said otherwise? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigel dabster Posted May 18, 2015 Report Share Posted May 18, 2015 Well, that's him told! I suppose the relevant question may be, if the trial was run in 2015 with exactly the same sections, what score would Dabill/Brown manage? Half the 1970s winning total? Surely. Less than 10? Clean? Me told what? Brown cant walk so im sure he'd drop a few. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perce Posted May 18, 2015 Report Share Posted May 18, 2015 Still a good video though As long as you have the sound off & don't have to listen to that pervert Stuart Hall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cleanorbust Posted May 18, 2015 Report Share Posted May 18, 2015 (edited) "nigel dabster" post= "Brown cant walk so im sure he'd drop a few." Exactly why I said "in 2015" rather than "now". I wish him well and bet he'll be back before the end of the year as good as ever. Edited May 18, 2015 by cleanorbust Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cleanorbust Posted May 18, 2015 Report Share Posted May 18, 2015 "nigel dabster" posted: "would many superstars turn up to lose 1 or 2?" They do every day in Scotland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnyboxer Posted May 19, 2015 Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 (edited) As long as you have the sound off and don't have to listen to that pervert Stuart Hall. Indeed Perce It did make me cringe Another childhood illusion shattered along with a good few more, sadly I thought the 1970's were a carefree happy time, riding schoolboy trials & watching Rolf & Hall on TV Sadly only Trials was the wholesome bit Edited May 19, 2015 by johnnyboxer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigel dabster Posted May 19, 2015 Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 "nigel dabster" posted: "would many superstars turn up to lose 1 or 2?" They do every day in Scotland. so which of the top 10 in the world were in scotland (dibs excepted)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cleanorbust Posted May 19, 2015 Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 (edited) "So which of the top 10 in the world were in scotland (dibs excepted)?" Fair enough. I was referring to our domestic top-liners as related to my previous post. Still, let's not fall out over it. As for the world superstars, I dare say they'd turn up wherever they're paid to whether they like the trial or not. Edited May 19, 2015 by cleanorbust 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dadof2 Posted May 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 (edited) Thank you faussy for #4, an accurate representation of my post. Just to put N Dabster right (not infrequently required) I do not favour return to twinshocks or points ignition. I favour a bike with disc brakes and monoshock. I am generally in favour of liquid cooling and electronic ignition but quite good arguments can be put forward for air cooling and points ignition. What I do favour is a bit more weight, perhaps limits on suspension travel and other developments that increase costs and make the bikes too capable resulting in dangerous sections. Truly amazing - I do agree with the last 9 words of NDs previous post Edited May 19, 2015 by dadof2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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