mazz46 Posted August 14, 2015 Report Share Posted August 14, 2015 Dibs is a far better rider than fajado and all other Spanish riders. He just puts his foot down more 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neils on wheels Posted August 14, 2015 Report Share Posted August 14, 2015 Fajardo seems to have moved ahead of Dabill. What is the reason? Is Vertigo not as good as Beta? Is Dabill handicapped by developing new bike? Has Fajardo / Beta combination improved relative to others? Should EFI 2T now be beating carburated 2T? I think Dabill should be more concerned about Busto, Casales & Ferrer than about Fajardo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
breagh Posted August 14, 2015 Report Share Posted August 14, 2015 But you implied he would not be able to cope with british conditions... If it isnt rain, can you explain to me what the difference between Spanish and British terrain is? Yes, and did you not look at his results at all the other rounds? And who mentioned Jorge?... the original poster was discussing Jeroni, who is a fair bit better than Jorge!! Saying the WTC isnt the be all and end all is one of the most naive things ive heard, have you watched the WTC? Have you seen the varied terrain? Did you watch czecho, did you watch sweden? And what makes you thing British trials are the be all and end all? Last time i watched trials, there were a lot of Spanish at the front. To say there are other riders than Dabill who would give Jeroni Fajardo a lesson in trials riding in britain is as silly as saying there are a lot of lesser riders in Spain who would give James Dabill a lesson on riding dry rocks. Thats the reason we have a WTC that visits different countries. Sure send Toni to my local practice ground with its ultra specific rocks and mud and ill give him a schooling on how to ride trials I stand corrected,are we married and i do not know about it? Could you be Jeroni's dad? Ok ,all uk trials riders 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigel dabster Posted August 15, 2015 Report Share Posted August 15, 2015 Start a topic then disappear thats your daddy off 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biffsgasgas Posted August 16, 2015 Report Share Posted August 16, 2015 jeroni is conservative and dibs pushes his boundaries. I have noticed James Dow in the ranks but I don't believe place makes you a great rider. He has his skill set. They both do. We all do. I'm a believer in that. --biff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddie_lejeune Posted August 16, 2015 Report Share Posted August 16, 2015 why does it always come back to the SSDT. The british riders win the SSDT because they ride it year in year out and have done since they were eligible to do so. A foreigner comes and has one go at it and he doesn't win it so that makes him less of a rider? The WTC is the most accurate way of measuring a riders ability, sure some will say what about the riders who don't compete, the truth is, if they had been good enough they would be getting the factory rides! 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b40rt Posted August 16, 2015 Report Share Posted August 16, 2015 If you've won everything else, why wouldn't you take the challenge the SSDT poses ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faussy Posted August 16, 2015 Report Share Posted August 16, 2015 If you've won everything else, why wouldn't you take the challenge the SSDT poses ? Money. The SSDT doesnt carry the status around the world as some people think, and certainly not what it did in the past. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan williams Posted August 16, 2015 Report Share Posted August 16, 2015 Is that a serious statement?! Why do people always think that it never rains in spain? It does but mainly on the plains. I don't get all the angst. The Vertigo looks like a great bike. It's a pretty fair bet no one on this thread could push it past 30% of its ability. Dibs is a hell off a rider. Other riders are just a tiny bit better and that shows in the scores. That's just the way it is. It was the same for Steve Saunders though I loved to watch him ride there was just that tiny bit of inconsistency that kept him from world champion. The same thing dogged Diego Bosis. Dougie, Jordi, Toni and Adam are that rare breed that can dominate a small sport but the guys that can run even close deserve a hell of a lot of respect. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddie_lejeune Posted August 16, 2015 Report Share Posted August 16, 2015 It does but mainly on the plains. I don't get all the angst. The Vertigo looks like a great bike. It's a pretty fair bet no one on this thread could push it past 30% of its ability. Dibs is a hell off a rider. Other riders are just a tiny bit better and that shows in the scores. That's just the way it is. It was the same for Steve Saunders though I loved to watch him ride there was just that tiny bit of inconsistency that kept him from world champion. The same thing dogged Diego Bosis. Dougie, Jordi, Toni and Adam are that rare breed that can dominate a small sport but the guys that can run even close deserve a hell of a lot of respect. Exactly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dadof2 Posted August 26, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 26, 2015 My impression was not based so much on the end of year WTC standings nor had I studied results in detail. I just felt on average Jeroni had moved nearer the front at most events this year whilst JD seemed to have moved back a place or two. It is not a criticism of the riders, just a casual observation. SSDT is too different to be considered alongside present WTC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigel dabster Posted August 27, 2015 Report Share Posted August 27, 2015 Clearly, you made an error, thanks for admitting so. FYI Fajardo has only ever won one round at Wtc a few years ago sure it was Andorra, but my guess is you are misinterpreting any rise from him as its more that crabby and Fuji are moving down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gizza5 Posted August 27, 2015 Report Share Posted August 27, 2015 crabby Seems pleasant enough to me 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigel dabster Posted August 29, 2015 Report Share Posted August 29, 2015 (edited) Two things more than anything have hastened the demise of the WTC, 1) the removal of the progression of 125cc for youth to 18 (short term gain for pol tarres has ruined this class) and 2) the no stop rule being introduced but not enforced. Im not sure if no stop is good or bad but to allow stopping under no stop is a farce and has proved nothing, but more importantly improved nothing. My point here is Cabastany, raga, Fuji and now Fajardo have not been overtaken by youth because the sections have been eased to take into account no stop (to some extent) which has prolonged their careers and restricted the youths coming through because they know nothing except stop rules, and the competitive 125ccs arent there either. A lose lose situation, wheres Thierry when you want him? Edited August 29, 2015 by nigel dabster 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddie_lejeune Posted August 29, 2015 Report Share Posted August 29, 2015 (edited) so if it was stop allowed cabestany, Fuji and raga would be retired with new youths taking their place? Edited August 29, 2015 by eddie_lejeune Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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