micm Posted August 20, 2015 Report Share Posted August 20, 2015 I found a recent online survey of Spanish trials enthusiasts who had been asked (I think) ‘What make of bike would you buy at this moment?’ With just over 700 replies the result is shown below. Add a pinch of Spanish salt. Montesa 23% TRS 22% Beta 16% Sherco 11% Vertigo 10% Gas Gas 6% Scorpa 6% JotaGas 4% Ossa 1.5% Other? 0,5% Well done Jordi Tarrés and gang if this translates into sales. The new Montesas are admired too. My conclusions from this poll? Keep them conventional. Either make the bike very light or beautifully made. And try not to put things like fuel tanks (or rear shocks) in funny places? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lineaway Posted August 21, 2015 Report Share Posted August 21, 2015 (edited) In the last year our club had one 2014 Montesa , one 2015 Montesa and I know of one 2016 on order. The 2014 Montesa was the first official Honda trials bike for sale in the USA since 1976. The poll might be wrong! Edited August 21, 2015 by lineaway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigel dabster Posted August 21, 2015 Report Share Posted August 21, 2015 lies,damned lies etc. As to what bike would you buy vs. What bike can you buy vs. what bike do you have very different answers. TRS have missed a big opportunity not getting bike out sooner. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
breagh Posted August 21, 2015 Report Share Posted August 21, 2015 Surprised if there's 700 Spaniards that can afford a new split link at the moment! Anyway,wasn't it a company like Montesa/Honda that tried to get us all on 4 strokes thus undermining the whole industry? Must be mistaken. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guys Posted August 21, 2015 Report Share Posted August 21, 2015 Yes, you are mistaken, on both assumptions. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neils on wheels Posted August 21, 2015 Report Share Posted August 21, 2015 But Honda conspired with the FIM to have the minimum weight raised so they can be competitive!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! How do you know this? The WTC Montesa/Honda was competitive long before the minimum 70Kg weight limit. I think they have won 14 of the last 16 world championships both 2 stroke & 4 stroke. A result of having the biggest budget. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazybond700 Posted August 21, 2015 Report Share Posted August 21, 2015 I think this survey says quite nothing. Better to look at actual sales volumes, which must be researchable aswell... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neils on wheels Posted August 21, 2015 Report Share Posted August 21, 2015 That's exactly what they want you to think!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't after you 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guys Posted August 21, 2015 Report Share Posted August 21, 2015 Anyway,wasn't it a company like Montesa/Honda that tried to get us all on 4 strokes thus undermining the whole industry? Must be mistaken. But Honda conspired with the FIM to have the minimum weight raised so they can be competitive!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! As long as there's no solid evidence for these conspiracy theories, they should be treated just like the chemtrail nonsense, with scepticisme. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guys Posted August 21, 2015 Report Share Posted August 21, 2015 That's exactly what they want you to think!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What's there to think of ??? He's just stating facts that easily can be checked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigel dabster Posted August 22, 2015 Report Share Posted August 22, 2015 How do you know this? The WTC Montesa/Honda was competitive long before the minimum 70Kg weight limit. I think they have won 14 of the last 16 world championships both 2 stroke and 4 stroke. A result of having the biggest budget. But the standard bike was heavy, increase the weight limit increase sales? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guys Posted August 22, 2015 Report Share Posted August 22, 2015 But the standard bike was heavy, increase the weight limit increase sales? I don't think most 4RT buyers ride WTC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tribet Posted August 22, 2015 Report Share Posted August 22, 2015 But Honda conspired with the FIM to have the minimum weight raised so they can be competitive!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HRC could build a 60kg bike no problem so I don't know where your grassy knoll theory comes from. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tribet Posted August 22, 2015 Report Share Posted August 22, 2015 Crickets done your brain in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b40rt Posted August 22, 2015 Report Share Posted August 22, 2015 http://www.nhs.uk/Livewell/mentalhealth/Pages/Mentalhealthhome.aspx 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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