dadof2 Posted September 8, 2015 Report Share Posted September 8, 2015 Since its been implied I am a luddite (regarding EFI) and the number who have problems with hydraulics I thought I would start tis thread. Do we need hydraulic brakes and clutches on trials bikes? I have never had to retire from an event either trials or MX because of a cable failure. I have had retirements because of damage to hydraulic parts as do several others I know. Quite a few seem to struggle with brake hydraulics in particular, but I would think most could fix mechanical systems much easier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
totty79 Posted September 8, 2015 Report Share Posted September 8, 2015 Hydraulics done properly are lower maintenance than cables - pistons that don't jam when the pads get low, bleed nipples and passages to them where the air naturally rises, dust seals etc. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan williams Posted September 8, 2015 Report Share Posted September 8, 2015 I do like stopping. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metisse Posted September 8, 2015 Report Share Posted September 8, 2015 Yes, have you tried an SWM clutch.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capper Posted September 8, 2015 Report Share Posted September 8, 2015 love disc brakes, but could happily live with cable clutch, think they were for the people who caned the clutch so much the adjustment went (originally) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2stroke4stroke Posted September 8, 2015 Report Share Posted September 8, 2015 I have experienced an SWM clutch that would stand comparison with a modern one, so it can be done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
collyolly Posted September 8, 2015 Report Share Posted September 8, 2015 I have an NEB speedway clutch with 3 rather than 6 springs on my Ariel, it handles the power, the bite point is ultra reliable and it is as light as my modern bike ( I have had it for about 5 years and still on the original plates running dry. Yes it is extreamly simple and I imagine far cheaper than a hydraulic system but I do not see how the same could be applied to brakes, remember moped cable disc brakes putting your feet down was an easier way to stop ! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigel dabster Posted September 8, 2015 Report Share Posted September 8, 2015 I like stopping. I like one finger clutch actuation. But I love my Bultaco. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b40rt Posted September 8, 2015 Report Share Posted September 8, 2015 I have experienced an SWM clutch that would stand comparison with a modern one, so it can be done.Thank you ! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan williams Posted September 8, 2015 Report Share Posted September 8, 2015 Without a doubt the best clutch I ever tried was on a Fantic 307. Remembering that is what drove me to sort the Beta which is damn close now but I never want to go back to the terror of a drop in with wet drum brakes. I suppose there are cable disks for bicycles but I don't know how well they scale up to motorcycle size. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guys Posted September 8, 2015 Report Share Posted September 8, 2015 I like stopping. I like one finger clutch actuation. But I love my Bultaco. Same here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2stroke4stroke Posted September 8, 2015 Report Share Posted September 8, 2015 You mean yours is the only one Ross? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baldilocks Posted September 8, 2015 Report Share Posted September 8, 2015 Main advantage to a hydraulic clutch i think is that the bite point doesn't change when you turn the bars. We could live with a cable clutch really but i don't want to go back to drums, early disc brakes are bad enough compared to modern stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baldilocks Posted September 8, 2015 Report Share Posted September 8, 2015 Ps never had to oil a hydraulic clutch line, remember cable oilers ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
breagh Posted September 8, 2015 Report Share Posted September 8, 2015 Amazing how back in the day we managed to ride these old twinshocks with brakes that were just for show and never even thought about clutching. Now the sections are a shadow of what they were good brakes and a superlight clutch are essential. Can someone explain this? . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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