suzuki250 Posted September 9, 2015 Report Share Posted September 9, 2015 I notice the prices for classic bikes on ebay seems to be getting ridiculous (but none actually seem to be selling) I was wondering are my bikes actually worth more than I think, or are there lots of deamers out there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laird387 Posted September 9, 2015 Report Share Posted September 9, 2015 Lots of dreamers - very few actual potential purchasers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon v8 Posted September 9, 2015 Report Share Posted September 9, 2015 Ebay isnt always what it seems, a couple of people I know sell quite a bit of stuff after the auction has finished,having had no bids... Some of the bikes are not what they seem either,a mate has just bought an "immaculate,needs nothing" bike - looked amazing in the pics. The engine is already apart for major work, having not even done a single trial. As with most things I think the only way is to treat each item as an individual case and contact the buyer,go and look - then make up your mind if its worth bidding on. I also think some trade sellers continually advertise high prices, just to drag them up in peoples minds. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suzuki250 Posted September 9, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 9, 2015 Ebay isnt always what it seems, a couple of people I know sell quite a bit of stuff after the auction has finished,having had no bids... Some of the bikes are not what they seem either,a mate has just bought an "immaculate,needs nothing" bike - looked amazing in the pics. The engine is already apart for major work, having not even done a single trial. As with most things I think the only way is to treat each item as an individual case and contact the buyer,go and look - then make up your mind if its worth bidding on. I also think some trade sellers continually advertise high prices, just to drag them up in peoples minds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laird387 Posted September 10, 2015 Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 Hi, A few Ebay oddities. Check 'Lochaber Rich Mixture', a couple of hopefuls advertising copies at £120/£125 mark - yet you can get Lochaber Rich Mixture, complete but serialised plus a load of the photographs that I couldn't fit in when I first published the book, and all for £12 maximum with a subscription to ORRe. There are similar stories for 'First Rich Mixture' but no-one is offering 'Midlands Rich Mixture', both of which I published and both of which are going to get the serialised treatment. Plus my other books - watch this space. Then again there's the classic bike price scene. When I created the first ever classic trial, later to become the Shawforth Shake - and later to be defined as 'pre-65' in my column in TMX - I did it because I couldn't afford one of the new Spanish models, sections were being set to catch them out that were so tight you couldn't even wheel an Ariel through them - and our old bikes had dropped to virtually 'nil' resale value. Now, so-called 'classic' bikes are so expensive it is cheaper to buy a brand new current trials model......... How times change? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baldilocks Posted September 30, 2015 Report Share Posted September 30, 2015 If i had a time machine id go back and stop that first pre 65 trial. Thats where it started to go wrong. Next stage was incorporating a class for them in centre trials round here which became known as the easy course. Then it became pre 65 or twin shock , then it became anyone who didn't fancy the middle route. Roll forward 20 years we now have people on a 2015 bike complaining a section you could clean on an ossa mar is too hard. The middle and harder routes have progressed but the gap between each course is immense. Hard course riders try harder stuff easy course is going backwards and the middle course is lost in the middle making 3 route trials a pain to mark out. Manufacturers go bust as new bikes are too expensive while people fall over themselves to spend £5k or more on a replica that looks like 50 year old bike. The original idea was good but its created more problems than it solved, yesteryears best riders often still win and you cant drag an old bike out and be competitive. Madness. And now i know who to blame 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnyboxer Posted September 30, 2015 Report Share Posted September 30, 2015 Well said Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suzuki250 Posted September 30, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 30, 2015 (edited) Manufacturers go bust as new bikes are too expensive while people fall over themselves to spend £5k or more on a replica that looks like 50 year old bike. That’s very true, but it probably say more about the state of modern trials rather than the classics! The classic bike prices are getting ridiculous, but if you shop around you can still get a well-priced classic. Edited September 30, 2015 by suzuki250 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baldilocks Posted September 30, 2015 Report Share Posted September 30, 2015 For twice / three times the price of an infinitely more capable machine once you put it right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b40rt Posted September 30, 2015 Report Share Posted September 30, 2015 For twice / three times the price of an infinitely more capable machine once you put it right. So you can fall off a rock twice/three times the size ..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baldilocks Posted September 30, 2015 Report Share Posted September 30, 2015 Lots of issues Ross, but you didn't need pre 65 to solve the issue that started pre 65 and led to everything since. You can't unpick it now but we have groups of people at either end of an ability spectrum with no time for each others requirements. More sections / fewer laps allowing greater range of sections would have been better. Trying to mark a trial out where the best riders are on the most capable bikes and the least capable turn up on 30 - 50 year old bikes makes no sense. Obviously some on older bikes are very capable but dont want to lose marks ?? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b40rt Posted September 30, 2015 Report Share Posted September 30, 2015 Lots of good points Glen, does it really matter how hard/ easy sections are ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baldilocks Posted September 30, 2015 Report Share Posted September 30, 2015 You tell me Ross, if there was a single route trial would you ride it on the swm ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b40rt Posted September 30, 2015 Report Share Posted September 30, 2015 Nostalgia is now a single route, very success (IMO) as the gap between state of the art pre66, and fairly standard twin shocks is marginal. However, the chasm between these and current bikes makes a single route a compromise to far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baldilocks Posted September 30, 2015 Report Share Posted September 30, 2015 So thats a yes then ? I think it was a good idea but should have stayed as a separate event perhaps. Yorkshire centre have separate trials / clubs for classic which is great. But in most centres its not viable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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