krazyosucowboy Posted November 25, 2015 Report Share Posted November 25, 2015 But what are they going to do with GG ? Are they just going to resurrect the old company and continue as before? The comments suggest they want to reinstate all the original staff ( around 80) so there is a tidy wage bill to pay. Things have moved on since the demise of GG and the market isn't as big for as it once was for them with Vertigo and TRS now in the mix. Both quality machines. They lost a fortune before, how are they going to not lose that amount again?This is what I want to know.. atomant, it's nice that you are curious, but.... Do you think the new owner is making an approximately 30 million euro investment without a viable plan? And, unless you own stock, what difference does it make to you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazybond700 Posted November 25, 2015 Report Share Posted November 25, 2015 One of the most negative results can be that they prepare some new stock, and stop producing, but then we have more parts than we do have now (even though there is still enough for some time now)... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigel dabster Posted November 26, 2015 Report Share Posted November 26, 2015 What do you think overheads are on the factory including wages for a month or two? More than profit on 3000 bikes? My guess is enduro bikes never made a dime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horshamrider Posted November 26, 2015 Report Share Posted November 26, 2015 Pretty obviously the business of going bust is different in Spain than here. Sold as a going concern with debt & workers..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazybond700 Posted November 26, 2015 Report Share Posted November 26, 2015 What do you think overheads are on the factory including wages for a month or two? More than profit on 3000 bikes? My guess is enduro bikes never made a dime. A buy like this doesnt have to be profitable on the sort run, as long as it gets profitable on the long run. And probably there is (additional) value for the tarrot brand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atomant Posted November 26, 2015 Report Share Posted November 26, 2015 (edited) atomant, it's nice that you are curious, but.... Do you think the new owner is making an approximately 30 million euro investment without a viable plan? And, unless you own stock, what difference does it make to you? With respect, there are stupid people in this world with or without money! I have no idea why someone would invest 30 million Euro into GG when their product offer is so limited and with so much other quality competition about ? The obvious thoughts would be to bring their electric bike to trials and enduro at very competitive prices and try and dominate the market. Lobby the authorities to ban petrol engines on environmental grounds forcing us to have electric bikes only.. or maybe as Torrot is a company whose roots are in Catalonia, their motivation may not be just business related.. In relation to holding stock, I would be surprised if there is anyone on these forums who would invest in GG right now as generally, I find most trials folk are a bit switched on to the value of money. Edited November 26, 2015 by atomant 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael_t Posted November 26, 2015 Report Share Posted November 26, 2015 Are any of the Trials companies publicly traded (besides Honda)? Or are they all privately owned companies at this point? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trialsrfun Posted November 26, 2015 Report Share Posted November 26, 2015 Is eu or local government money involved, start up, regeneration that sort of thing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gasgas249uk Posted November 26, 2015 Report Share Posted November 26, 2015 News from the GasGas workers group Gas Gas ambitious plans for the coming years, as explained Torrot CEO Ivan Contreras, one an interview with ACN. The most imminent, recover next year the market leadership of trial.In 2016 2.000 bikes will be made, once tuning Salt plant is made, and the goal is to reach 4,000 units per year in 2018.In enduro, Torrot work next year on a new more competitive than the current bike to throw the market in 2017. Finally, a long-term project is a leap into the electric bike, taking advantage of technology Torrot. The first offroad Electric Gas Gas, however, does not have time. Gas Gas not want to waste time in relaunching the brand and already before they can enter the factory has been working in the marketing of dirt bikes that will begin to make in Salt plant starting next year. At the recent trade fair in Milan, including several international importers they have already placed orders. Similarly, Torrot team has contacted suppliers to as you start the factory is expected that this could be during the first quarter of 2016 to reach the necessary components for the assembly of vehicles. This set-up of machinery, stop in recent months, it will be done in parallel to move to jump Torrot factory has Mataro and where he develops urban electric motor. For lack of space on the premises of the capital of Maresme, the company will maintain only the department of research and development. In terms of production figures, in 2016 it is expected to make a total of 6,000 motorcycles, of which 2,000 are from trial setting, a thousand more endurance and 3,000 of MUVI model Torrot, an electric scooter connected at all times in internet and with a battery life of over 100 kilometers. New models for the coming years On the horizon of 2018, Torrot arises to achieve the 4000 Gas Gas trial bike, which would become the market leader in this sector; 6,000 motorcycles and 5,000 MUVI enduro. In the case of endurance, but first we will have to do a rethink of the model, does not convince the current owners of the brand "The dirt bike is ready to industrialize and sell and we have actual orders, but the enduro needs improvement because it did not succeed in the market," said CEO Torrot, Ivan Contreras. In this regard, in 2016 there will be "a whole team to get a motorbike in 2017 competitive enduro". With regard to future new models, the Enduro will be the first but not the only one. In the long term, the direction of Torrot provides a unique vehicle combining the best of both brands. "Gas Gas has a great international power and we want to take to get a motorcycle offroad power of reference, which will mark Gas Gas, but with technology developed Torrot". Also in the pipeline are a new electric bicycle Torrot brand as well as a MUVI new developments made "carbon fiber to reduce weight and extend the autonomy". 13 MEUR investment and recovery workers As for the announced investment and commitment to revive Gas Gas -13,000,000 euros over three years, he explained that Contreras will go to three games. A small party will improve the software, production controls and thus guarantee a "production quality". A second package will be circulating money Torrot used to deal with the purchase of components needed to manufacture the bikes, while the third part will be devoted to trials competition and the introduction of professional pilots. "Gas Gas is a leader in the competition and maintain the level should reverse in the market," said Contreras. Moreover, in addition to the 55 former employees of Gas Gas who can keep their jobs, there will be another 30 to move into a job market that "will be the first hire" when the company has the need to expand the workforce. The forecast for 2018 is to reach 80 workers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
breagh Posted November 26, 2015 Report Share Posted November 26, 2015 Wish them all the best,even to get this far puts us to shame,Spain with all it's problems finding cash to fund this. If Sammy Miller never went to Spain trials would be finished. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigel dabster Posted November 27, 2015 Report Share Posted November 27, 2015 Wish them all the best,even to get this far puts us to shame,Spain with all it's problems finding cash to fund this. If Sammy Miller never went to Spain trials would be finished. Even when a country (like spain) is on its arssse there is always someone whose business survives and thrives. Look at vertigo. Sammy going to spain made a turning point but trials would have survived either way or another im sure. Riding bikes off road is what we did and always will regardless of bikes manufacturers stars wtc and even advice from dadoff..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atomant Posted November 27, 2015 Report Share Posted November 27, 2015 Thanks gasgas249uk - Interesting read! Very ambitious plans and I hope they pull it off. I have for sometime said that the future is electric so they might be onto something here 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timp Posted November 28, 2015 Report Share Posted November 28, 2015 Theres one thing for sure. The market is not going to be big enough to support all the other manufacturers and Gas Gas with these big ideas. Next year will be Beta, Gas Gas, Sherco, Scorpa, Vertigo, Trs, Montesa, Jotagas, Ossa?, plus a few companies doing electric bikes. Its going to be interesting! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigel dabster Posted November 29, 2015 Report Share Posted November 29, 2015 Jota gas and ossa? Are you sure? Absolutely agree too many trying to sell to too few. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timp Posted November 29, 2015 Report Share Posted November 29, 2015 I put a ? after Ossa as I think they may struggle to get going. But you can buy a new Jotagas I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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