collyolly Posted December 10, 2015 Report Share Posted December 10, 2015 Seems a strange business model not to use a distribution network where the exchange of bikes takes place ( your local bike shop ), how will people sell on their year old bikes ? Dealers make this transaction easy by offering to arrange the finance, you cannot do this selling your bike privately so you will be reliant on a buyer turning up with say £3 - £4 grand in cash, why should the dealers help you out ( help out Vertigo) by buying your bike ? Sounds nice and clean for Vertigo but not so sure about the rest of the market. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnyboxer Posted December 10, 2015 Report Share Posted December 10, 2015 Seems a strange business model not to use a distribution network where the exchange of bikes takes place ( your local bike shop ), how will people sell on their year old bikes ? Dealers make this transaction easy by offering to arrange the finance, you cannot do this selling your bike privately so you will be reliant on a buyer turning up with say £3 - £4 grand in cash, why should the dealers help you out ( help out Vertigo) by buying your bike ? Sounds nice and clean for Vertigo but not so sure about the rest of the market. That'll be the sticking point, along the way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atomant Posted December 10, 2015 Report Share Posted December 10, 2015 (edited) I don't see how it fits in with the Vertigo 'family' ethos.. Families look after one another no matter what so to sell a bike but it's only a one way ticket doesn't fit at all ? Edited December 10, 2015 by atomant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin008 Posted December 10, 2015 Report Share Posted December 10, 2015 I was informed that, yes Vertigo are going to have a UK dealer network in the future. However not at the moment...1. While the bikes have only been manufactured in the factory for a few weeks and they are in short supply for the worldwide audience.2. Also at this moment without product knowledge or training dealers would not be able to carry out proper maintenance or servicing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
collyolly Posted December 10, 2015 Report Share Posted December 10, 2015 My earlier point was more to do with riders moving on their current bike enabling them to buy a Vertigo not how they will sell on the Vertigo ! Would you as a dealer want to fill up your shop with thousands of pounds of year old bikes not having benefited from the next new sale ? Sounds like Vertigo want all of the advantages of new sales but none of the disadvantages of helping riders make the change, time will tell. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dadof2 Posted December 10, 2015 Report Share Posted December 10, 2015 (edited) Your press release Dad of 2 relates to JJB Sports, Argos and Littlewoods, what it has to do with Vertigo only you seem to know! I have just clicked on the link I posted again and am puzzled why you feel it relates to the 3 retailers you have named rather than Vertigo. From what I read on TC (the post I quoted) it looks as if Vertigo are attempting to enforce the practice of "retail price maintenance" Read following link and you will understand http://eprints.lse.ac.uk/22406/1/39_98.pdf See Colin 008 #50. Vertigo could probably fix the price (without breaking the law) if they had only one retail outlet across the EU but that seems unlikely. Edited December 10, 2015 by dadof2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigel dabster Posted December 11, 2015 Report Share Posted December 11, 2015 EU law and trials bikes, remind us how that works in practice? When did a trials manufacturer keep to 100% on this and when was there ever a case? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
axulsuv Posted December 12, 2015 Report Share Posted December 12, 2015 I think Dad just gets bored ...... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2stroke4stroke Posted December 12, 2015 Report Share Posted December 12, 2015 EU law and trials bikes, remind us how that works in practice? When did a trials manufacturer keep to 100% on this and when was there ever a case? Well they can no longer hide behind the "Sorry it's a competition machine, too bad" excuse when something goes wrong, for a start. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
telecat Posted December 12, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 12, 2015 The Model kind of makes sense. We have relied on P/EX in the past but the last two bikes have been sold privately abet via dealers. On that basis you do need to have the funds to "bridge" the gap between buying and selling. Chris has that capability now. I would also say that the Vertigo like the 4RT is pretty much a bike for those who aren't interested in "fettleing" bikes week to week. They just want a bike to ride that is competitive but reliable. I don't see any marque able to cope with that if they work as expected. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huski Posted December 13, 2015 Report Share Posted December 13, 2015 If you want one you'd have to sell your present bike,then order your Vertigo and hopefully not wait long for it.Failing that you could buy it on a credit card and pay it off when you sell the old one and pay some interest.Most customers seem to like the convenience of part x,so avoiding potential thieves wanting to locate it and nick it,also avoiding the time wasters and dreamers out there.Vertigos policy might cost them a few sales,but if the demand is there it won't worry them unduly.Got to be more profit per bike without the dealers cut Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazybond700 Posted December 14, 2015 Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 The Model kind of makes sense. We have relied on P/EX in the past but the last two bikes have been sold privately abet via dealers. On that basis you do need to have the funds to "bridge" the gap between buying and selling. Chris has that capability now. I would also say that the Vertigo like the 4RT is pretty much a bike for those who aren't interested in "fettleing" bikes week to week. They just want a bike to ride that is competitive but reliable. I don't see any marque able to cope with that if they work as expected. How can you know if its reliable? Isnt that something we should make up in a couple of years? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gasgas249uk Posted December 14, 2015 Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 Yes Crazy .. Your right.What will 2 years of jet washing from 6 inches away does to those gadget bits ?. I doubt very much that this latest generation of FI bikes will be around in 40 years time like Bultaco. But that's a long way off ... so who cares 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cornishtwinspring Posted December 14, 2015 Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 That's hardly a fair comment gg249, the sheer volume of bults,monts&ossas sold in the "heyday" dictate a lot survive today. plus they were not built of cheese ( 4rt excepted) like now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gasgas249uk Posted December 14, 2015 Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 (edited) I do agree with you ...so maybe my comparison to old bikes was not so good as loads fell by the wayside . But I dont think these new fi bikes will last . Carb bikes can be rebuilt easily and parts adapted and scabbed from other models.....BUT try entering the invisible world if electric gizmos and adapting a fuel pump from another model ..or a multi level ignition pack from another model and repairing or replacing those components ...... way way after the companies are gone or the spares have stopped ....NOT a chance .....The bikes will be readapted back to carbs to get them running again .....and thats if its possible . My experience of 2 stroke fuel injected bikes has not been good and ive not rushed and spent the money ...really thinking through ways to repair .After 3 or 4 years the running gear and engine is still good but the pumps are knackered and the injectors are all milked up and useless . Everything is £100 + a shot so its not cheap ....and thats if you can get the parts. Add onto that harsh riding environments and cleaning environments - pressure washers and .......well.....ive already said it. Water gets anywhere , and its screws everything ...as it did to the "sealed coil" of my near new Scorpa easy during a wet ssdt. Technologically we might have developed computers gadgetry and be advancing at a great pace on this front ......but the stuff still fails all over the place. The ECU on my van has just died after 3.5 years ---thank God the company is still going . Are trials manufactures employing technology more reliable than this ?.....Not a chance But i bet its beautiful to ride and for the first few years it will be spot on Edited December 14, 2015 by gasgas249uk 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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