woody Posted January 8, 2016 Report Share Posted January 8, 2016 What about the 4 speed Ossa and Montesa - why only the Bultaco I wonder? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metisse Posted January 8, 2016 Report Share Posted January 8, 2016 Interesting, very interesting... Are greeves with banana forks not pre 65 then, I only ask as this side of the channel there are some slightly hostile comments on why Charles Coutard didn t get a ride, certainly as he had entered by all accounts on one of the less fiddle, trick more original bikes of that era.. and the reason touted is that his bike was unacceptable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b40rt Posted January 8, 2016 Report Share Posted January 8, 2016 Hi, I doubt whether it was anything to do with the bike that Charles entered - much more likely the ballot beat him - and possibly the fact that the 'organisers' failed to 'nudge' the ballot by not recognising the historic name............ The entry list has been published, who would you "nudge" out, to "nudge" Charles in ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greevesman Posted January 8, 2016 Report Share Posted January 8, 2016 In 2012 Mike Tizard was not allowed to use original Banana Forks on his Greeves in the trial but was able to use Trick Fiddle Teles !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trialsrfun Posted January 8, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 8, 2016 Interesting, very interesting... Are greeves with banana forks not pre 65 then, I only ask as this side of the channel there are some slightly hostile comments on why Charles Coutard didn t get a ride, certainly as he had entered by all accounts on one of the less fiddle, trick more original bikes of that era.. and the reason touted is that his bike was unacceptable. The first Greeves bikes had rubber in torsion suspension at both front & rear, later models switched to conventional Girling units at the rear with rubber in torsion for the suspension on the front forks with Girling damper units without a spring to damp the fork action. The banana forks had no rubber suspension as both springing & damping was handled by a pair of conventional shocks. I think these may have been introduced in 64 or 65 but before my time in trials so canot be certain. What bike does Charles Coutard ride. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greevesman Posted January 8, 2016 Report Share Posted January 8, 2016 Greeves banana forks came out in 1965 on the TGS Anglian 50+ years ago ,alot of the tele forks used in the Scottish Pre 65 were made in 2014/2015 but are allowed WHY? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b40rt Posted January 8, 2016 Report Share Posted January 8, 2016 Eligibility guidelines http://ssdt.org/pre-65-trial/scottish-pre-65-trial-news/158-pre-65-trial-eligibility-guidelines Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackbutty1 Posted January 8, 2016 Report Share Posted January 8, 2016 David Coughlan has entered and got a ride on a Bultaco. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villiersprodigy Posted January 8, 2016 Report Share Posted January 8, 2016 The Pre65 Scottish trial came about originally to occupy the spectators who went to watch the six days trials.Now this trial as its own recognision as its popularity as grown over its 30 years of running.The concept of the event was for britsh bikes to be used for a trip down memory lane.So the cut off point was 1965 which as we all know was when Sammy Miller won the event on a Bultaco and changed the history of trials as we know it.So why are the commitee of the pre 65 scottish allowing the bike which was the reason for creating the trial and the rules in the first place .? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
breagh Posted January 8, 2016 Report Share Posted January 8, 2016 Not really my bag however pre 65 means to me pre Sammy Miller going to Bultaco. No doubt some experts will know of Bultaco trials bikes built prior to him going? Haven't looked at the entry list but I bet there;s a few wouldn't know a pre 65 if they were run over by Sammy on GOV 132 on the Mamore road. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie prescott Posted January 8, 2016 Report Share Posted January 8, 2016 Hi Guy's. They will probably be run over by GOV132's Brother Pre @)!^ Ariel straight out of the factory. Hey Ben. Regards Charlie. Enjoy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trialsrfun Posted January 8, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 8, 2016 (edited) Big bikes seem to do most of the P65 winning though, it is yonks since Wrighty won with his BSA Bantam and a while since a Villiers engined bike took the win. David Coughlan is a real enthusiast and a great rider to watch on Pipeline usuallly on his Ariel. Edited January 8, 2016 by trialsrfun 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twinnshock Posted January 9, 2016 Report Share Posted January 9, 2016 (edited) I have been watching this topic with interest as a M10 owner. I must admit I did not at first read of the eligibility rule document think the Model 10 was eligible, just a clarification that a Bultaco must be 4 speed. I am aware riders have tried to enter on early bikes re-engined with a 5 speed engine in the past. In my opinion not a lot different to entering a 175 4 speed Bantam but what do I know. I took the document to just cover the pre model 10 bikes fitted with original engines. But it appears from this thread that a M10 is entered so again what do I know. Lets be clear on this a Model 10 is not pre 65. All I need to do now is convince the so called Eastern Center ACU board that the Pre 70 championship should be opened up to non British bikes. After all a M10 would be more period than the tricked Bantams and Cubs that fill up most of the entry. And I am sure a lot of people would like the opportunity to see one of these bikes being ridden. Stuart Edited January 9, 2016 by twinnshock 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big john Posted January 9, 2016 Report Share Posted January 9, 2016 David Coughlan from Waterford, Minster, ROI has been successful with his entry and will ride a 4-speed Bultaco Sherpa in this year's Pre'65 Scottish Trial. I have seen this machine many times and it is very original, being a 'second series' Sherpa T model 10. Which is more than can be said for many of the so called pre'65 machines out there. Big John 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhayaderman Posted January 9, 2016 Report Share Posted January 9, 2016 Somewhere I have the programmes for the 1963,64 and 65 Scottish Six Days in which I rode.I will check,but I am sure that there were no Bultacos in the 1963 event.Possibly one 200cc ridden by a Spaniard in 1964 and a few in 1965. I had a new TFS Greeves for 1965 from Don Smith in the April but he was expecting a few Bultacos pre May 65 which would have been the first time they would have been available to the public.What a shame the Bultacos are being allowed into the trial.I remember a few years ago when I rode my Ariel in the event that a fellow competitor with a Sprite was told it was ineligible-he did not bother to ride the second day.However I was allowed to ride a Mick Mills B.S.A in the event a few years ago but was told not to bring it back again.I wonder how many "pre 65"people are now left on the organising committee. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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