Villiers 8E Engined James

[suzuki250]

Hi suzuki250,

 

This was my initial reply to ron, which I have highlighted simply to indicate that my chosen reply would be subject to how many other people would be interested - because if you reread the first posting asking for help ron had already bought the external coil, so was aware of the inaccurate misinformation on google..............

 

For your information the digital magazine is NOT a commercial venture! It was created exclusively as an add-on feature of this forum to enable members whose main interests are classic sport, rather than modern sport like the 'wtc', could have access to additional pages of information that would obviously be boring to the bulk of the members. The fee at £12, which currently gives access to over 3500 pages of information and photographs (many never published before) simply does not compare with the usual cost of the digital versions of commercial magazines.  It is not available anywhere else, it is an exclusive 'tc' feature.

All I put was agreed, and stated were the info could be found for free, and stated the mod works well!

 

So why pick on me?

Edited July 19, 2016 by suzuki250

[davetom]

Couldn't you have just emailed him the info? Cut and paste is only a couple of clicks for chrissakes

[trialsrfun]

Couldn't you have just emailed him the info? Cut and paste is only a couple of clicks for chrissakes

Or place the information you have here on tc so that Ron and the others could get their bike working and ride in trials.

By posting you would then as you quote 'so was aware of the inaccurate misinformation on google..............' save other riders wasting their time.

[ronwright]

I am pleased to be able to report that apart from Deryk having an inflated opinion of his worth to the pre 65 trials community that many people offered me free advice and assistance without any strings on this issue and without wanting any recompense. Amongst those that helped were Paul Powell of Cotton Villiers; Norman Blakemore of the shock absorder supplier; a chap called Malcolm from the Francis Barnett forum. The modification is very simple once it is explained in detail and does not need the use of the lighting coils which probably by now are well past their best. If anyone wants help on this issue they can contact me on my email; ron-wright@blueyonder.co.uk. 

[whitehillbilly]

I have a 1960 Greeves, with a 32A motor.

I live in Australia, and 20 odd years ago, sent my coil to hi-output coils, In Victoria.

They rewound it, and has been faultless.

Cost was about 40 quid, and it runs the standard setup, but has the HT lead soldered to the coil.

I had a 1956 James trials, 6E motor,which ran an external coil, much like you are doing.

I picked up a roadster rolling chassis, then later a 6E motor.

I stripped the first lot of wire from the coil ( secondary windings ? ) then ran a wire from the original coil winding left on it, to the external coil, which also had a external condenser fitted to it.

It has changed hands a couple of time, and a few changes made, but is still being used at Trials in Queensland Au, the last picture below

A mate with a 150 Villiers, took the wires off the coil, counting the turns from the primary and secondary windings. Took two samples to the local electric motor rebuilders, to get the sizing, and length, when wound the wire back on, finishing with a shellac coating.

20 years later still going strong.

 

 whitehillbilly

Edited August 6, 2016 by whitehillbilly

[floydbassman]

My Greeves TFS with 32a engine had issues with the existing internal ignition coil breaking down when hot, being 50 years old and insulation breaking down. I got an external coil and condenser from Villiers services. The old coil, I stripped the thin ht windings off and fed the external coil from the remaining lt winding of the original. As my bike is fitted with lighting coils, I wired the lighting coil opposite the ignition coil (9 o clock position) in parallel with the ignition and mounted the condenser on the external coil bracket. A good earth back to the engine finished the job. I did a 100 mile long distance trial yesterday and the bike started ok hot and cold, with no sign of weak spark stalling at low revs.I did experiment initially running the bike with the lighting coil only, then the ignition lt only, to compare the meerkat between them. they both performed the same but there is a definite improvement using both in parallel, in the slow running of the engine.This was the cheapest option for me. Mounting the condenser is a good improvement, being away from the engine heat. For those who prefer to keep the bits inside the mag casing for originality looks, possibly using a condenser from a japanese bike from the 70s era may be an alternative, as they seemed very reliable back in the day, together with their contact breakers....

[floydbassman]

That makes good sense.I got a spare mag side engine case with lighting and ignition coils fitted. That has given me inspiration to experiment... I may even try wiring the other 2 lighting coils in series to give a decent lighting voltage.