tman427 Posted August 16, 2016 Report Share Posted August 16, 2016 What is the consensus on the stock air filter and cage and running no cage? How about a Twin Air vs a Jitsie filter any thoughts on what will make the Monty breath a be easier? Thanks Tom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmyl Posted August 16, 2016 Report Share Posted August 16, 2016 Junk the std as its a pain to clean and refit every trial. Dont think the std should be run with no cage but not surr why. Aftermarket ones seem similar to each other and much easier. Dont know about performance to std Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the addict Posted August 16, 2016 Report Share Posted August 16, 2016 Jitsie for me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martin belair Posted August 16, 2016 Report Share Posted August 16, 2016 (edited) The stock filter is the best. It's what the factory team uses. It breathes just fine. It was designed to run with that filter. Handy tip: Install it into the lid first and then into the air box. make sure you have a good seal. The Jitsie should never be used in dry or dusty conditions. We have found that it lets dust into the air box. Sorry Jitse. Just hold it up to the light and see how much light shines through. Edited August 16, 2016 by martin belair 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2stroke4stroke Posted August 17, 2016 Report Share Posted August 17, 2016 (edited) I have standard, Apico and Jitsie - can't tell which one is in when riding the bike so no performance difference that way for me. I just put the standard set up in then put the lid on without bothering to actually attach the filter to the metal frame. By the time the lid is screwed down nothing is going to get by the edges anyway. Being on the clean side of the filter the coarse layer on the Jitsie appears to have little function. Edited August 17, 2016 by 2stroke4stroke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmyl Posted August 17, 2016 Report Share Posted August 17, 2016 [quote name="martin belair" post="431824" timestamp The Jitsie should never be used in dry or dusty conditions. We have found that it lets dust into the air box. Sorry Jitse. Just hold it up to the light and see how much light shines through.[/ Is this with an oiled filter? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duggan Posted August 17, 2016 Report Share Posted August 17, 2016 Been using the jitsie filters for years in all conditions and had no issues, maybe the dust entering the airbox is from not oiling the filter enough? The corse outer of the jitsie filter is a flame resistant layer to bypass the need for the standard flame guard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lineaway Posted August 17, 2016 Report Share Posted August 17, 2016 Being in the UK, you have not seen dry and dusty. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duggan Posted August 17, 2016 Report Share Posted August 17, 2016 ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmyl Posted August 17, 2016 Report Share Posted August 17, 2016 Being in the UK, you have not seen dry and dusty. Have you not seen inside a Yorkshireman's wallet 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris200 Posted August 17, 2016 Report Share Posted August 17, 2016 Have you not seen inside a Yorkshireman's wallet More people having seen bigfoot waterskiing behind the loch ness monster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrmad Posted August 17, 2016 Report Share Posted August 17, 2016 Had no problems with the jitsie, but then again I also live in the UK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2stroke4stroke Posted August 17, 2016 Report Share Posted August 17, 2016 Been using the jitsie filters for years in all conditions and had no issues, maybe the dust entering the airbox is from not oiling the filter enough? The corse outer of the jitsie filter is a flame resistant layer to bypass the need for the standard flame guard. Jitsie themselves say the coarse layer is to "stop large particles and resist clogging", which it clearly can't do as an inner (relative to airflow) layer, though they describe it as an outer layer. Maybe they're all made the wrong way round? No mention of flame guarding properties which you would expect them to emphasise were that the case. In over a year of changing filters after every outing I have seen no evidence of flame reaching the filter, nor have I on any four-stroke I have owned in all the years. Though I accept that Honda must feel the need of it. Are aftermarket filter users really suffering burned filters? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duggan Posted August 17, 2016 Report Share Posted August 17, 2016 What would be the point of the coarse layer other than being to replace the flame guard? None of the other jitsie filters for other bikes have this same outer? Or do they? So it seems plausible with the Honda being the only bike running a flame guard that they would account for this when designing the filter. There's no way the guys at jitsie have made the filters this way by mistake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2stroke4stroke Posted August 17, 2016 Report Share Posted August 17, 2016 You didn't appreciate my weak humour but never mind that. I quoted from Jitsie's info. They say just the same for their Gas Gas filters which are the same construction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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