pschrauber Posted November 12, 2016 Report Share Posted November 12, 2016 The old MT43 tire of the beginning to mid eighties is compared to the "new" MT43 different. Pirelli changed the design of the MT43 radically which you can see already depending the knobbies which are different now, they did too change the rubber components. The MT43 is OK for heavier bikes as its carcasses are stiffer too the rubber not as soft as the tires frim IRC, Michelin or new Dunlops. I had also a new set of MT43 mounted to front and rear to a 175cc trials bike which I bought in April 2015. The tires did the job on dry and sand ground well but on slippery ground the tires hadn't the grip I expect from a trials tire. So I switched to Michelin which worked much better depending trials riding. The tire set of the Pirelli's I finally sold to my neighbor that needed them for his TLR200 doing some trails riding in the wood with partly longer road work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pschrauber Posted November 12, 2016 Report Share Posted November 12, 2016 (edited) Well I referred to the Pirelli tires of the beginning to mid eighties which where mounted to Bultacos, SWM's, Montesas and Fantics. Which where not the same as the tires of the end eighties where Pirelli changed knobby and carcasse design as I mentioned. What differences you are not agreeing? Edited November 12, 2016 by pschrauber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suzuki250 Posted November 12, 2016 Report Share Posted November 12, 2016 What did pirelli change, was it the compound & block pattern? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pschrauber Posted November 12, 2016 Report Share Posted November 12, 2016 Before Pirelli had the same rectangle knobby shape like all other brands had ans too some other changes as I mentioned. I should have the test report of that new tire in an issue of Trialsport Magazine of the mid 80's. Hang on I have to look up later in this evening with around 450 issues it takes some time to find out. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pschrauber Posted November 12, 2016 Report Share Posted November 12, 2016 (edited) Found it the new Pirelli tire was developed as to keep up with Michelin who started already two years earlier with their radial tire for all different kind of temperatures and finally sold them to the public as an W version for temp below 17 and a S version for temp. above 17 deg. Celsius. First test where done in late 1982 and where performed through Manual Soler in the last two world GP rounds. Here Pirelli for the first time introduced the non rectangles knobby design. The statement of Krahnstöver (11 times German trials champion): "... Manuel Soler rode the bike with the rubber through the sections but never on the podium" The tire got on the market one year later but with no success. Either the old style Pirelli diagonal tire with the rectangle knobby design was mounted by the manufactures or the Michelin. When I look through the old magazines there where many Michelin advertises some Metzler but no Pirelli at all. Forgot to mention: Trialsport no. 80 from November 1982, page 29. Edited November 12, 2016 by pschrauber 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iconic558 Posted November 12, 2016 Report Share Posted November 12, 2016 Found it the new Pirelli tire was developed as to keep up with Michelin who started already two years earlier with their radial tire for all different kind of temperatures and finally sold them to the public as an W version for temp below 17 and a S version for temp. above 17 deg. Celsius. First test where done in late 1982 and where performed through Manual Soler in the last two world GP rounds. Here Pirelli for the first time introduced the non rectangles knobby design. The statement of Krahnstöver (11 times German trials champion): "... Manuel Soler rode the bike with the rubber through the sections but never on the podium" The tire got on the market one year later but with no success. Either the old style Pirelli diagonal tire with the rectangle knobby design was mounted by the manufactures or the Michelin. When I look through the old magazines there where many Michelin advertises some Metzler but no Pirelli at all. Forgot to mention: Trialsport no. 80 from November 1982, page 29. Well done that man....serious research. Interesting stuff....a winter and summer grades of trials tyres, but with hugely bigger markets worth doing I suppose? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trialtrial Posted November 13, 2016 Report Share Posted November 13, 2016 I'd never use an MT43 for competition. Over here it is DOT so, maybe on a technical dual sport bike. But for competition, the Mich rules. D803GP and IRC are pretty good too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
collyolly Posted November 13, 2016 Report Share Posted November 13, 2016 If your not using it for trials, just for blasting around then surely any tire would be O.K. ? Pressure is probably more important, experiment with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmostin Posted November 13, 2016 Report Share Posted November 13, 2016 I bought a bike with one fitted. Was impressed given all that I'd heard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pschrauber Posted November 13, 2016 Report Share Posted November 13, 2016 Yep but he is using the Pirelli MT73 GARA tire (not available anymore), You might look up factory photos from Aprilia ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pschrauber Posted November 14, 2016 Report Share Posted November 14, 2016 (edited) Here I' am not so sure the "GARA" was a radial tubeless tire the MT43 is still diagonal and tube type. Pirelli itself claims that the MT43 has a reinfored carcasse in traditionell set up. Edited November 14, 2016 by pschrauber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suzuki250 Posted November 14, 2016 Report Share Posted November 14, 2016 I've got one of those 'Gara Trial' tyres that I took off a bike many years ago, I might give it a try the next time I go practicing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iconic558 Posted November 14, 2016 Report Share Posted November 14, 2016 https://youtu.be/tPOKm1_TfeM?t=17m45s MICHELIN VS PIRELLI. Tommi Avhala winning his World Trials Championship on the inferior Pirelli tyres..... on the hill climb he struggles abit,while the Mitchelin runners just sail up there. Rotax grunt...simples Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
feetupfun Posted November 21, 2016 Report Share Posted November 21, 2016 https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=m0o1ii_30AkC Input MT13 in the SEARCH box and you will go to a test of a MONTESA COTA 349 which refers to the excellent Pirelli MT13 tires/tyres fitted as standard and also refering to them as competitive tires/tyres. Scroll down for an article headed "Trials Revisited". MT13 Pirelli was certainly the hot ticket when I was a kid (late 1970s). My memory tells me that the other proper trials tyres at the time were either Avon or Dunlop 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pmk Posted November 21, 2016 Report Share Posted November 21, 2016 In regards to the Pirelli MT43, no doubt there are mixed comments about the history and different variations over the years. So, I recently acqired a 73 OSSA MAR. It still has the square block MT43 tires on it but they need replacing. Seeing as this machine is kind of porky with a claimed weight about 50 pounds more than a modern bike, anyone have opinions on if these older machines should use the older style tires with a more rigid casing or go with the more modern lighter tires? At the moment, if the bike is used for any competition, it will be fun based, primary plan is fun riding with a friend who also has a 72 MAR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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