trapezeartist Posted December 26, 2016 Report Share Posted December 26, 2016 If I was in the market for a secondhand Gasgas somewhere between 2003 an 2012, which would be the significant model year changes I should look out for? Times when they actually introduced something new and (hopefully) better, rather than just some new graphics and a bit of bling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabby Posted December 26, 2016 Report Share Posted December 26, 2016 2009 was the first year of tubular frame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zippy Posted December 27, 2016 Report Share Posted December 27, 2016 If I understand correctly all of the improved or upgraded Pro motor parts can be retrofitted back to 2003. Somewhere in those years I think there were front fork changes, but I am not sure what years or the changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jam Posted December 27, 2016 Report Share Posted December 27, 2016 Pro - Anything from 2009 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huski Posted December 27, 2016 Report Share Posted December 27, 2016 09 steered better than previously,only small improvements since,damn good bike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lineaway Posted December 27, 2016 Report Share Posted December 27, 2016 And the first tubular frame liked to break. `04 and beyond was a safer bet. Personally I think the `06 and `07 were it`s best years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmyt Posted December 27, 2016 Report Share Posted December 27, 2016 I have had 08. 09, 010 and 011 Gas Gas Pros all been good bikes the 2011 model is streets better than the others if you can strech your budget to 2K I would go for a nice 2011 can not see how they can get any better than these. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lineaway Posted December 28, 2016 Report Share Posted December 28, 2016 Do a search of this forum for cracked frames. You will find cracked frames from `08 to `14. Also cracked cases. The new bikes sure did handle better, but used bikes come with a price. Give the man an honest answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trapezeartist Posted December 28, 2016 Author Report Share Posted December 28, 2016 I did search on "cracked frame" and it makes pretty scary reading, especially the bike with the steering head just about hanging off. But really how common is this? Is it just a few hard used and abused bikes? Or frames welded up by the apprentice? As far as the "Beta or GasGas" question is concerned, having worked with Spanish companies for many years and lived in Spain for a while, I have a natural leaning towards the Gasser. But things like this may tip me the other way. Funny, I've never really thought of "Italian" and "quality" belonging in the same sentence together. (There. The other day I offended the Belgians, and now the Italians! Will I have any friends left?) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heffergm Posted December 28, 2016 Report Share Posted December 28, 2016 Don't worry, I'm not offended. Fwiw, in my local club here, I've never seen or heard of a gasgas cracked frame. Or a failed transmission. Gasgas was probably the best represented brand around here for a long time and still has a big user base. Lots of guys on 2010 and newer bikes. The beta is great too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zippy Posted December 29, 2016 Report Share Posted December 29, 2016 (There. The other day I offended the Belgians, and now the Italians! Will I have any friends left?) I'll be your friend. I am a Murican. We offend everyone on a regular basis. I have seen one GasGas frame crack. it was an 04 or 05 and was abused HEAVILY by the Expert class rider that owned it. (there was also a stretch of Sherco frames that had cracking issues between the headstock and the radiator) I have not personally witnessed a catastrophic failure of a GasGas gearbox. I had a personal experience of a single tooth coming off the 2/5 gear of my 2003 and had difficulty sourcing a new one, but GasGas was in "difficulties" at the time. I believe it was an original gear from 2003. Most GasGas issues are due to the owners not performing maintenance. (common problem with all makes). Maintenance can be different between manufacturers, for example one may need to have bolts tightened regularly, another may need to have water drained from under the flywheel cover, another may need the airbox cleaned out more often. (but Beta is just weird ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trapezeartist Posted December 30, 2016 Author Report Share Posted December 30, 2016 (edited) On 12/29/2016 at 3:46 AM, zippy said: I'll be your friend. I am a Murican. We offend everyone on a regular basis. Oh good, a Yank. I can offend you too. Easy target! (There I go. Done it already.) But thanks for all the advice, guys. I'll have to draw a conclusion on the frame breaking issue, and for the moment I'm going to conclude that it probably only affects a few examples. As I'll be buying something several years old, I suspect that if no-one else has managed to break it, I probably won't either. I have to say that having looked around a couple of GGs at a trial earlier in the week, the welding was pretty ugly. By way of contrast the welding (bronze welding probably) on a Whitehawk Yamaha was absolutely beautiful. I just had to stand a gaze on it with awe. Edited January 7, 2017 by trapezeartist typo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heffergm Posted December 30, 2016 Report Share Posted December 30, 2016 I can't argue with that... the welds on my 2017 GG are pretty awful. Compared to how well done the TRS welds are it's a bit sad. But for whatever reason I really enjoy riding the GG, so I overlook its failings. Every make has some. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbk Posted December 31, 2016 Report Share Posted December 31, 2016 stay away from 04 -08 GG had pegs break and gas tank leaks kick start brakes and that wasnt just my bike anytime we went to an event you always saw the gg's laying on their sides having work done to them I ride montesa now just gas and go Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhuskys Posted January 7, 2017 Report Share Posted January 7, 2017 On 12/30/2016 at 7:35 PM, bbk said: stay away from 04 -08 GG had pegs break and gas tank leaks kick start brakes and that wasnt just my bike anytime we went to an event you always saw the gg's laying on their sides having work done to them I ride montesa now just gas and go Check your foot peg mounts! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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