nsaqam Posted April 20, 2006 Report Share Posted April 20, 2006 The Federation Internationale Motorcycliste (FIM) establishes the rules for world competition in trials and many other motorcycle sports. It is incumbent on the AMA to follow those rules if our riders are to compete on the world scene. As the trials arm of the AMA we are required in good conscience to review those rules that may differ with our national series rules. The quote above is taken directly from the NATC mission statement. Seems to me that the NATC isn't taking its own mission statement seriously. The second sentence is very telling and it seems that the NATC is abdicating any hope of competing on the world scene by not following the FIM rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigel dabster Posted April 20, 2006 Report Share Posted April 20, 2006 Bernie managed to win the WTC without a 125cc class. How about Dougie, Fuji, or Raga or any of our previous WTC champions. If the skill, determination and results are demonstrated on a regular basis there exists the potential to be the world champion. I honestly believe that the main reason there have not been any candidates for so many years is the fact that most young people understand that the attainment of a good education is far more important. Very few can make a living from the sport so the education provides them with life long opportunities and trials can be enjoyed as a pastime. Most mature younger people who engage in the sport realize this. It is usually the dads who push their kids to attain whatever they couldn't do in their own youthful years - are you listening Lane? We should all redirect our priorities in life and inspire in the kids what in life is most important. Trials is not a life long occupation it is a sport of fun after completing a well rounded education for a life long career. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Tell that to Lance Armstrong Micheal Johnson mark Spitz micheal Andretti Bernie Schreiber and all the other American world Champs I can't immediately think of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atomant Posted April 20, 2006 Report Share Posted April 20, 2006 Bernie managed to win the WTC without a 125cc class. How about Dougie, Fuji, or Raga or any of our previous WTC champions. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Raga rode 125 (1995 Cadet 125 c.c.Champion of Children from Catalonia aged 13) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perce Posted April 20, 2006 Report Share Posted April 20, 2006 Bernie managed to win the WTC without a 125cc class. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigel dabster Posted April 20, 2006 Report Share Posted April 20, 2006 Wasn't fuji a bike trials champion? Not many cc's there....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alan bechard Posted April 20, 2006 Report Share Posted April 20, 2006 UK guys (well European but that mostly means you UK guys here) This may be a slightly funny question for you guys, What is the definition of a 125. Exactly how many CC's are allowed? What is the determining factor? Would a punched up Scorpa be OK? Is there ( I would think there would be) a max # of CC's allowed that fit within the constraints of the 125 class? Are they allowing the 4 strokes to compete at a larger displacemnent? Are your rules posted somewhere? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian r Posted April 20, 2006 Report Share Posted April 20, 2006 Any one read the story in the AMA book about kids and motorcycles/ ATV's. Looks like Oklahoma's in trouble. Under 18 would have to be on a smaller than 90cc bike if I read it right ( I was in the "library" reading and my son needed in there to brush his teeth or something). Picture Cody Webb on a Rookie! BTW, Cody's a pretty big kid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neonsurge Posted April 20, 2006 Report Share Posted April 20, 2006 What is the definition of a 125. Exactly how many CC's are allowed?What is the determining factor? Would a punched up Scorpa be OK? Is there ( I would think there would be) a max # of CC's allowed that fit within the constraints of the 125 class? Are they allowing the 4 strokes to compete at a larger displacemnent? Are your rules posted somewhere? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> See: http://www.acu.org.uk/uploaded/documents/Y...Y%20CHANGES.pdf There's no distinction between 2 and 4 stroke and based purely on capacity although: Standard rebores are permitted subject to the resulting engine capacity no exceeding a tolerance of +3cc. (taken from TSR1, "Eligibility/Licencing" rule in the 2005 ACU handbook) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alan bechard Posted April 20, 2006 Report Share Posted April 20, 2006 Hmmmm,,,, Funny that they mention the drivers license stuff there. Someone had mentioned that was why they did the classes that way, but to hear it told here, it was to make them (the Youth) competetive in the 125 champ class... Anyway, so that would make it 128 cc's permissible. I would imagine that is why the 200's and 160's are not very popular, kind of a tween thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nsaqam Posted April 20, 2006 Report Share Posted April 20, 2006 I don't know about EU driving license requirements but the second part of that paragraph says it was to comply with FIM rules. Funny how the NATC mission statement mentions compliance with FIM too. No such rule from the NATC though. YET! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nsaqam Posted April 20, 2006 Report Share Posted April 20, 2006 It's great to see the FIM has learned from its mistakes regarding the 4 stroke displacement advantage in MX and is not repeating that atrocious system in trials. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the artist formerly known as ish Posted April 20, 2006 Report Share Posted April 20, 2006 Nasqam,Lane, has an NATC diplomat, I look forward to reading your proposal at the next NATC meeting, you have motivated me enough to make me attend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atomant Posted April 20, 2006 Report Share Posted April 20, 2006 Nasqam,Lane, has an NATC diplomat, I look forward to reading your proposal at the next NATC meeting, you have motivated me enough to make me attend <{POST_SNAPBACK}> WooHoo - Nice one Ishy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sideup Posted April 20, 2006 Report Share Posted April 20, 2006 Have you noticed that Lane and Nasqam never post at the same time? Could it be they are one and same? Maybe Lane making his own allies up? Just Kidding now don't take it serious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alan bechard Posted April 20, 2006 Report Share Posted April 20, 2006 I don't know about EU driving license requirements but the second part of that paragraph says it was to comply with FIM rules.Funny how the NATC mission statement mentions compliance with FIM too. No such rule from the NATC though. YET! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I guess I would say read it again. As I read it it is the FIM complying with the drivers licensing rules. Did the UK go over into the EU? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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