512high Posted July 9, 2017 Report Share Posted July 9, 2017 I guess this isn't really a Montesa question in general. I have a 06' Montesa 4RT, I am a beginner, started to do figure 8, using two flags, as I get better will move them closer, my question is this, where the bike idles high, I have my index finger on clutch and front brake, as I go through my process, all I have been doing is using the clutch and front break a tad, NOT USING THROTTLE, is this correct? Or should I be using throttle? Thanks Philip 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blocky Posted July 9, 2017 Report Share Posted July 9, 2017 Leave the front brake alone and use the rear brake 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffmutt Posted July 9, 2017 Report Share Posted July 9, 2017 As Blocky says, use the back brake. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
512high Posted July 9, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 9, 2017 1 hour ago, blocky said: Leave the front brake alone and use the rear brake understood on front brake,,, but what about throttle? I'm on level ground learning.., thanks for the quick replies everyone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonnyc21 Posted July 10, 2017 Report Share Posted July 10, 2017 I don't need throttle when doing it on flat ground with my 4RT but have found some when doing the figure 8's on a hill can some times be helpful (depending on the hill). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cragvale Posted July 10, 2017 Report Share Posted July 10, 2017 Not sure if this applies to this model but later 4rts, it is quite usual to fit a 9 front sprocket which slows bike down and may assist you.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
512high Posted July 10, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 10, 2017 thanks to all that replied, learn a lot from this site....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan williams Posted July 10, 2017 Report Share Posted July 10, 2017 The point of the exercise is to use all the controls. Front brake makes the bike want to stand up. Back brake wants to pull the bike down. Practice working clutch against back brake for smoothness. Work clutch against front brake for recovering balance. Same for thottle. I understand the idle tends to run high on a 4rt but you want to get used to working all the controls against each other so I'd slow the idle for practice. There is no right or wrong technique. You are trying to build a set of conditioned responses so the more varied techniques you practice the better you'll handle the unexpected. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonnyc21 Posted July 10, 2017 Report Share Posted July 10, 2017 (edited) I wouldn't recommend slowing down the idle on a 4RT you will likely cause yourself stalling and starting issues. However the 9 tooth front recommendation should create an affect that will slow the bike down for doing everything Dan indicated without the adverse affects of lowering the idle. My 2 cents and experience. I agree with everything else Dan said, its about getting varied conditions and practice to be the best rider you can! Edited July 10, 2017 by jonnyc21 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
totalshell Posted July 11, 2017 Report Share Posted July 11, 2017 use the clutch and rear brake just like you d be shown if doing the cbt. do it all day long till you can do it without thinking.. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leosantanalg Posted October 31, 2017 Report Share Posted October 31, 2017 you probably dont need any brake at all after while! I use front brake only! and only for quick recovery if I overdue the clutch every now and then. The most important part of figure 8 is body position... focus on that. Lean that bike as far as you can and try to touch the outside foot on the side of the peg. That and positioning your body as far back as possible will make for nice quick full lock turns 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b40rt Posted October 31, 2017 Report Share Posted October 31, 2017 4 hours ago, leosantanalg said: you probably dont need any brake at all after while! I use front brake only! and only for quick recovery if I overdue the clutch every now and then. The most important part of figure 8 is body position... focus on that. Lean that bike as far as you can and try to touch the outside foot on the side of the peg. That and positioning your body as far back as possible will make for nice quick full lock turns Just learned I've been doing it wrong for decades .... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scifi Posted May 19, 2018 Report Share Posted May 19, 2018 Slightly off topic, but if you have ever ridden down some of the continental hills with lots of corners on a push-bike, you soon learn that the entry to the corner should be done with the front brake, and the corner and exit with the rear brake. This is because the front brake is most efficient, but will cause your front wheel to step out... widening the corner. Whereas the rear brake makes the rear wheel semi-slide and causes you to steepen the turn radius... Which is good if you want to avoid going over the Armco. .Have fun and ride as many real trials as possible.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigel dabster Posted May 20, 2018 Report Share Posted May 20, 2018 11 hours ago, scifi said: Slightly off topic, but if you have ever ridden down some of the continental hills with lots of corners on a push-bike, you soon learn that the entry to the corner should be done with the front brake, and the corner and exit with the rear brake. This is because the front brake is most efficient, but will cause your front wheel to step out... widening the corner. Whereas the rear brake makes the rear wheel semi-slide and causes you to steepen the turn radius... Which is good if you want to avoid going over the Armco. .Have fun and ride as many real trials as possible.. not sure that you can use Nibali's techniques to slow figures of 8 but there you go. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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