nigel dabster Posted September 9, 2017 Report Share Posted September 9, 2017 yes the red rocket, and cr 250 was the best mx bike for years. And the 315 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnyboxer Posted September 9, 2017 Report Share Posted September 9, 2017 On 9/8/2017 at 10:59 AM, faussy said: Did honda ever make a good 2T? And dont say "yes the 315" Expand Ha You'll get shot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon v8 Posted September 10, 2017 Report Share Posted September 10, 2017 The thing is that if Honda choose to pursue 2t trials bike engines,then they will. They have the backup to do what they want to do.Years ago they developed the CX500 turbo,pretty much because they liked the idea of the challenge of forced induction on a v twin. That was fine on a road bike,but comp stuff is different,luck and personal ability factor just as highly. I admire Honda for what they have done over the years,they have made bikes for a very broad range of folk,for basic transport to high end specialised stuff.There are plenty of their products I'd be very pleased to have in my care - even though my interest is mainly old British junk. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrewmorpeth Posted September 12, 2017 Report Share Posted September 12, 2017 On 9/10/2017 at 6:06 PM, jon v8 said: The thing is that if Honda choose to pursue 2t trials bike engines,then they will. They have the backup to do what they want to do.Years ago they developed the CX500 turbo,pretty much because they liked the idea of the challenge of forced induction on a v twin. That was fine on a road bike,but comp stuff is different,luck and personal ability factor just as highly. I admire Honda for what they have done over the years,they have made bikes for a very broad range of folk,for basic transport to high end specialised stuff.There are plenty of their products I'd be very pleased to have in my care - even though my interest is mainly old British junk. Expand Well done a bit of straight talking/sense!You don't get to be as big as Honda without having some know how, despite what the "experts" might say! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2stroke4stroke Posted September 12, 2017 Report Share Posted September 12, 2017 Indeed, and they're not afraid to make mistakes - only Honda could produce a pushrod motor with camchain problems☺ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section swept Posted January 4, 2018 Report Share Posted January 4, 2018 On 9/8/2017 at 10:59 AM, faussy said: Did honda ever make a good 2T? And dont say "yes the 315" Expand Well the CRM250 was a very strong 2T, main bearings lubed by gearbox oil if I remember correctly. The final model made well over 30 HP in enduro mode. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faussy Posted January 5, 2018 Report Share Posted January 5, 2018 On 1/4/2018 at 10:47 PM, section swept said: Well the CRM250 was a very strong 2T, main bearings lubed by gearbox oil if I remember correctly. The final model made well over 30 HP in enduro mode. Expand Having main bearings oiled by the gearbox oil is as old as the hills, and predates any 2 stroke honda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trapezeartist Posted January 5, 2018 Report Share Posted January 5, 2018 On 9/12/2017 at 4:36 PM, 2stroke4stroke said: Indeed, and they're not afraid to make mistakes Expand That's true. Just ask Fernando Alonso. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dadof2 Posted January 5, 2018 Report Share Posted January 5, 2018 On 9/12/2017 at 4:36 PM, 2stroke4stroke said: Indeed, and they're not afraid to make mistakes - only Honda could produce a pushrod motor with camchain problems☺ Expand This mistake (CX 500 engine) is now a sought after classic - truly remarkable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section swept Posted January 5, 2018 Report Share Posted January 5, 2018 On 1/5/2018 at 1:29 PM, faussy said: Having main bearings oiled by the gearbox oil is as old as the hills, and predates any 2 stroke honda Expand Doesn’t detract from my claim that the CRM was a strong motor? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slicktop Posted January 7, 2018 Report Share Posted January 7, 2018 I think when honda perfects direct injection then they will bring back 2t motors. Their '4t only' kick is to lesson pollution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brewtus Posted January 7, 2018 Report Share Posted January 7, 2018 On 1/7/2018 at 1:31 PM, slicktop said: I think when honda perfects direct injection then they will bring back 2t motors. Their '4t only' kick is to lesson pollution. Expand Don't count on it. Honda has always been a 4-stroke company. Old man Honda HATED 2-strokes, and started phasing out 2-strokes in everything they make decades ago. I don't think Honda even produces a 2-stroke Lawn and Garden engine anymore, all replaced by the smaller, not as bulky 4-stroke technology they developed in the '90's (the basis for the CRF and 4RT engines). I believe you will have a better chance of a Yeti delivering a pizza to your house than Honda making another 2-stroke Trials engine. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slicktop Posted January 7, 2018 Report Share Posted January 7, 2018 Honda is getting pressure from ktm's development of di. Less weight and more power than the 4t. This is a 2015 Honda patent DI 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brewtus Posted January 8, 2018 Report Share Posted January 8, 2018 On 1/7/2018 at 10:27 PM, slicktop said: Honda is getting pressure from ktm's development of di. Less weight and more power than the 4t. This is a 2015 Honda patent DI Expand Yeah, I remember seeing it. I thought it was pretty cool at the time. When I asked the guys I knew in Torrance at the time about it, the reply was always something along the lines of "Yeah, Honda has thousands of patents that are engineering exercises". Neither put much faith into Honda manufacturing another 2-stroke but said "stranger things have happened". It was one of them that gave me the Yeti delivering pizza reference that I stole....er, used. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dadof2 Posted January 27, 2018 Report Share Posted January 27, 2018 Looking at Vertigo & Ossa, it seems perfecting low pressure inlet tract injection is something of a challenge, let alone high pressure direct or air assisted injection. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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