trialsrfun Posted February 1, 2018 Report Share Posted February 1, 2018 How might the Montesa 348 compare to a similar period Bultaco, is the 348 a good bike to own and ride? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cleanorbust Posted February 1, 2018 Report Share Posted February 1, 2018 (edited) With the age of both bikes, which is best would depend almost entirely on how good an example you are looking at. Both were of course top of the tree as trials bikes in their day. And both, in standard trim and in average condition, would be a bit of a pig to ride in today's sections when stacked up against the well sorted Fantics, Majesty's etc used in modern twinshock trials. If you were thinking of riding open class trials on one of them for nostalgic reasons, do yourself a favour and buy a modern age bike. Having owned a 348 and an earlier Bulto, the Montesa seemed altogether designed to be more directed towards less troubled ownership: well sealed airbox, chain tubes as standard (you'd be lucky to find one with these still intact), excellent indestructable mudguards as standard and somewhat more of a quality feel. Edited February 1, 2018 by cleanorbust 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
feetupfun Posted February 2, 2018 Report Share Posted February 2, 2018 I find that the Cota 348 and 1977 Sherpa T are a joy to ride but both are hard work in tight sections. They are both suited to sections that are more open and have stable, relaxing handling. They feel different to each other in the handling and steering and which one feels better to someone depends on personal preference. If you are talking about the 325 Bultaco, both the Cota 348 and 325 Bultaco are difficult to ride with precision unless the motor is running perfectly, because the behaviour of the motor dominates the behaviour of the whole bike. If you were wanting the best chance of a low score in modern twinshock trials with tight turns and stop-allowed riding techniques, you would probably not ride a standard version of either of them. If you want a twinshock that feels amazing to freeride and has awesome power, then they are a great choice. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbofurball Posted February 2, 2018 Report Share Posted February 2, 2018 The 349 is great, fab fun to play on and good on trails ... no way I'd use it for actual trials though I imagine the 348 is somewhat similar 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dr-alpina Posted February 2, 2018 Report Share Posted February 2, 2018 I have both bikes and would say, they are very different. the 348 is better in tight sections. wheel base is shorter and engine seems to behave more directly .little bit more lichter and nervous than bultaco. wonderful to ride in classic trials . But i personally prefer the bultaco, which has more torque and character. its very good at hillclimbing and on rocks. and reliably brings you on the top of mountain. anyway not so easy in tight sections. it always demands a special style of riding... 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brewtus Posted February 2, 2018 Report Share Posted February 2, 2018 4 hours ago, turbofurball said: The 349 is great, fab fun to play on and good on trails ... no way I'd use it for actual trials though I would, but I'm really not that smart. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dadof2 Posted February 2, 2018 Report Share Posted February 2, 2018 Having owned several of both 348 Monts and 325 Bultos over a 10 year period I would say they are both excellent bikes. The 348 had a weak headstock and could have gearbox problems. I would quite happily ride either in modern easy, clubman and some hard route sections. No good for stop allowed sections or clutching. The middle steps at Newbiggin on the Alan trophy trial are now not used because "they are too hard for most riders on modern bikes". In the 1970s The whole entry used to tackle these sections on these old twinshocks. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trialsrfun Posted February 2, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 2, 2018 I am familiar with both Bultaco and OSSA trials bikes but have never owned a Montesa they were the ones that got away,. The 348 has a certain appeal to me so thanks for all of your replies please keep them coming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
feetupfun Posted February 3, 2018 Report Share Posted February 3, 2018 2 hours ago, trialsrfun said: I am familiar with both Bultaco and OSSA trials bikes but have never owned a Montesa they were the ones that got away,. The 348 has a certain appeal to me so thanks for all of your replies please keep them coming. OK If you are familiar with the Bultaco then I would describe the 348 as compared to the Bultaco 325: Motor has faster pickup Motor feels a bit more powerful Motor not as smooth as late model 325. Similar to first model 325. Higher footpegs (riding position) Feels like you are closer to the font wheel Front wheel placement slightly less important Feels light until you get a bit out of shape Gear selection is sketchy Clutch has unpredictable and delayed engagement More susceptible to overheating (in my climate) Less ergonomic and heavier kickstart action 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shakennstirred Posted February 4, 2018 Report Share Posted February 4, 2018 Ride in a classic trial where the sections are set out for old bikes. That's what I do for my Beamish 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section swept Posted February 5, 2018 Report Share Posted February 5, 2018 Mr S. Miller esq gave me a tip many years ago concerning my Bultaco 325, set the ignition timing to (hard to forget this) 3.25mm btdc this will soften the power delivery and also reduce the dreaded starting in reverse which my mates 325 did a few times...embarrassing when selecting first and letting the clutch out only to disappear in a heap on the ground.? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trialsrfun Posted February 11, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2018 On 02/02/2018 at 9:51 PM, dadof2 said: Having owned several of both 348 Monts and 325 Bultos over a 10 year period I would say they are both excellent bikes. The 348 had a weak headstock and could have gearbox problems. I would quite happily ride either in modern easy, clubman and some hard route sections. No good for stop allowed sections or clutching. The middle steps at Newbiggin on the Alan trophy trial are now not used because "they are too hard for most riders on modern bikes". In the 1970s The whole entry used to tackle these sections on these old twinshocks. Are the frame weakspots just around the steering head or other places as well ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
feetupfun Posted February 11, 2018 Report Share Posted February 11, 2018 I would include lower shockie mounts on that list 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section swept Posted February 14, 2018 Report Share Posted February 14, 2018 When you consider how old these bikes are that get ridden, thrown and dropped everywhere they aren’t doing too badly if they break occasionally. Wonder what a more modern Trials bike will be like in 30-40 years time? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barnesy Posted February 15, 2018 Report Share Posted February 15, 2018 I always liked the look of the 348's and I got a later model one last year having never rode one before, its surprisingly well made for a bike of that age easy to work on as well.. I wouldn't worry too much about it snapping in half if you find a decent one I doubt you will loose money on it. I'm not bothered about it being competitive in twin shock trials I just bought it for the fun factor which it has in spades. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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