nathanh777 Posted March 7, 2018 Report Share Posted March 7, 2018 Picked up a great running '93 Fantic KeyRoo 212. Runs great but I questioned how it was set up after I got it home. I noticed a tube running from the top of the tranny to the top of the carb. Upon further thought, I pulled the plug and noticed how black it was (running rich). Then I saw how milky the oil was in the sight glass on the tranny. Obviously the previous owner didn't know what they were doing. So I got this part rectified. My question is, does anyone have a manual? Or a link to download? I need to know how much oil to add to the tranny - half way up the sight glass? I will do a flush with some full synthetic 5w30, run it, flush it, and run it again. Oil/fuel mixture is 70:1? Also, I need a new clutch cable, or the specs to make one. Currently I am running a honda trail90 cable to get me by. But cannot confirm it is giving the clutch the right throw to operate properly because the carb sucked all the oil out of the case and clutch will not dissengage! Interesting bike. Hoping to compete with it in 2 weeks. Any input appreciated! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lineaway Posted March 7, 2018 Report Share Posted March 7, 2018 The 1993 was an hydraulic clutch. What color is the bike? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nathanh777 Posted March 7, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 7, 2018 I have heard this from others, however, somebody would have had to go through a lot of trouble to switch it to cable. I think the 212cc model was originally cable. Unless it's not even the stock 212 motor. Anywhere online I can reference the serial numbers? And thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nathanh777 Posted March 7, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 7, 2018 The bike is purple white and red Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brewtus Posted March 7, 2018 Report Share Posted March 7, 2018 This one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nathanh777 Posted March 7, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 7, 2018 Yes sir. If that is the 212cc. I think there was a 250 and 300 as well? Is that yours? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brewtus Posted March 7, 2018 Report Share Posted March 7, 2018 No sir, I don't own a WB Fantic. That one was for sale up in your neck of the woods, just wanted to know if you were the one that snapped it up. Can't tell by the blurry pics, but it does appear to have a cable clutch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterb Posted March 7, 2018 Report Share Posted March 7, 2018 I have a 1991 K-Roo project bike that I can measure the clutch cable length, inner/outer and nipple diameters if this helps. I might find a link to a manual, but need to look first. If the clutch will not disengage, then the plates are very likely stuck together probably due to lack of use and will need to be stripped and cleaned. Gearbox oil is fine with ATF Dexron III, I don't know the quantity yet. Bye, Peter B. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petert Posted March 7, 2018 Report Share Posted March 7, 2018 500cc's same as the others I would imagine and I use Putoline light gear oil. My 305 has a section bottom end with a 305 barrel = aircooled with hydraulic clutch! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nathanh777 Posted March 7, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 7, 2018 I would really appreciate that or clutch cable specs from your '91. So appeciated! Also, upon further investigation I came up with the following diagnosisFinal diagnosis: Found out why the clutch would no longer disengage, even manually pushing the lever on the case - previous owner connected both the breather on the carb (cylinder vacuum) and the breather on the tranny with a tube. bike ran great, but when running, it sucked tranny oil in to the carb (which explains the blackened spark plug). Then when the bike was shut off, anything at the top of the carb would push out through the breather hose and back in to the tranny- which explains the milky oil in the tranny sight glass. running the motor as long as i did during inspections sucked enough tranny oil out and burned through the carb, depleting lubrication in the case. hence, no disengagement of the clutch. lots to do this weekend, but i think im gonna have a competition-ready bike soon! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petert Posted March 7, 2018 Report Share Posted March 7, 2018 Tranny (big hose) vents to atmosphere Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nathanh777 Posted March 7, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 7, 2018 Brewtus- yes, that is the actual bike I purchased for $750...it was very easy to bring the price down haha 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterb Posted March 8, 2018 Report Share Posted March 8, 2018 Follow this link to a 1993 Key-Roo parts manual http://www.fantic.no/partcat/Fantic K-roo 250 93Mod.pdf Let me know if the link does not work, I pulled it up as a PDF file. Will have a search for the clutch cable in the morning. Bye, Peter B. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hillary Posted March 8, 2018 Report Share Posted March 8, 2018 The know all man for Fantics is Bill Pye in the UK. Don't know his number unfortunately but somebody on here will surely be able to help very quickly. If he doesn't know the answer, then there is no answer!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nathanh777 Posted March 8, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 8, 2018 Wow thank you all so much! Peterb I can't believe you had the parts catalog! Thank you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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