Five or not?

[teamferret]

Interesting question came up at todays Midland Classic MCC trial. If your engine stops in a section, is it a straight five even if you can roll or push out. I've known trials where it is, and my brother once lost an event due to this rule, but does this apply to AMCA trials?????

[b40rt]

In a "No Stop" trial, you get a five for stopping, if you don't stop you shouldn't get a five.

[eddie1]

Link to AMCA rules :

https://www.amca.uk.com/images/downloads-general/Trials_Rule_Book_2016.pdf

Item 33 marking

"Marks are awarded as follows:

5 Fails to complete the section ----

Engine stops with rider or any part of the machine (except the tyres) touching the ground."

I would read that as you can free wheel out or restart the bike without putting a foot down or leaning on a tree etc. If you put a foot down to restart it is a 5.

[2stroke4stroke]

The wording just used to say  "engine stops", which seemed harsh to me as anyone skillful enough to restart without putting a foot down/stopping should not be penalised.  Good to see the rewording.

All we need now is a definition of what the AMCA mean by "back wheel" in relation to being out of a section.  ACU reference to wheel spindle is much clearer and use of front wheel is easier to judge in this day of self-observing.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited April 29, 2018 by 2stroke4stroke

[hanks]

With regards rear wheel out. It is rear wheel spindle. At a recent Amca meeting, I proposed changing the rule to front wheel out but most the clubs wanted it left as it is. This is a problem as most riders especially in self observing situations, mark front wheel out. Quite a major decision sometimes when you manage to get your front wheel out then slide back in. Its a five for some and a clean for others. 

[feetupfun]

I remember someone posting their local rules up years ago and there was a rule that really got my imagination working:

"The rear wheel exits the section before the front wheel" (scores a 5)

[petert]

10 hours ago, eddie1 said:

Link to AMCA rules :

https://www.amca.uk.com/images/downloads-general/Trials_Rule_Book_2016.pdf

Item 33 marking

"Marks are awarded as follows:

5 Fails to complete the section ----

Engine stops with rider or any part of the machine (except the tyres) touching the ground."

I would read that as you can free wheel out or restart the bike without putting a foot down or leaning on a tree etc. If you put a foot down to restart it is a 5.

Wonder how that would work with a electric bike

 

[2stroke4stroke]

9 hours ago, hanks said:

With regards rear wheel out. It is rear wheel spindle. 

Perhaps the rules should state that.

[section swept]

If it was a downhill section and the rider....and machine entered the section starts markers with a dead engine and free wheels through the section and exits as far as the rear wheel spindle then it is a clean. 

[pschrauber]

On the continent it is the front wheel spindle that has to go through the Exit and then you are through the section, as too when when you start a section, and to movement here it is too the front wheel that has to move.

To the rear wheel we just have the rule that the rear wheel is not allowed to cross the route once.

 

Rolling around is OK to simultanious having the feet down while still moving and the engine out, this is wicked ...

[twinnshock]

1 hour ago, pschrauber said:

On the continent it is the front wheel spindle that has to go through the Exit and then you are through the section, as too when when you start a section, and to movement here it is too the front wheel that has to move.

 

It is the front wheel spindle in the UK as well.

Stuart

[old trials fanatic]

6 hours ago, twinnshock said:

It is the front wheel spindle in the UK as well.

Stuart

It is if you are riding at an ACU affiliated event but as teh previous posts have pointed out NOT at AMCA events.

[old trials fanatic]

FWIW this is why i always try if possible to have the ends cards more than a complete bikes length past the final obstacle.