sergioNMD Posted February 27, 2019 Report Share Posted February 27, 2019 Hi there, I'm new to the forum... Been reading a lot of interesting replies in here. I got a 2019 Vertigo 300 4 months ago, fantastic bike... My only dilemma is about fuel economy, the bike is really thirsty... Coming from a 2014 Ossa 300, the Vertigo consumes almost twice as much! Sure, the Vertigo is more powerful than the Ossa, but the speed, riding style and trails/obstacles I use it for are the same. Has anyone else noticed this problem? I usually use the "wet" map, but I notice very little difference between the two... Could that be an issue? Could the "dry" map be more fuel efficent than the "wet" map? Thanks in advance! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heffergm Posted February 27, 2019 Report Share Posted February 27, 2019 I haven't had mine in a while ('17 Ice Hell) but the wet map on mine was ridiculously rich. Try the normal map and see how it goes. As I recall mine didn't use a ton of fuel, but I also thankfully never had an Ossa to compare it to. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sergioNMD Posted February 27, 2019 Author Report Share Posted February 27, 2019 1 hour ago, heffergm said: ... but I also thankfully never had an Ossa to compare it to. ? My 2014 Ossa was such a great bike actually, never had a problem in two years that I raced it and used it on a weekly basis.... The only ****ty thing was the Marzocchi forks, I hated those.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heffergm Posted February 27, 2019 Report Share Posted February 27, 2019 I guess they were a mixed bag. The one guy around here that had one rebuilt the transmission several times... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sergioNMD Posted February 27, 2019 Author Report Share Posted February 27, 2019 36 minutes ago, heffergm said: I guess they were a mixed bag. The one guy around here that had one rebuilt the transmission several times... Sure, transmission gears and hubs in the 2011/2012 series were faulty... The problem was, as the Italian importer told me, some mechanics rebuild using new spare, still from the faulty production... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faussy Posted February 28, 2019 Report Share Posted February 28, 2019 Anytime i rode an Ossa they always knocked from being too lean. So i think you may be judging against a bike that was already under fuelled 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sergioNMD Posted February 28, 2019 Author Report Share Posted February 28, 2019 1 hour ago, faussy said: Anytime i rode an Ossa they always knocked from being too lean. So i think you may be judging against a bike that was already under fuelled Thank you. That's an interesting explanation, both yours and heffergm's one. From reading the spark plug on the Ossa, it seemed to me that it was mapped correctly, but I might be wrong. I'll research more in that direction! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faussy Posted February 28, 2019 Report Share Posted February 28, 2019 1 hour ago, sergioNMD said: Thank you. That's an interesting explanation, both yours and heffergm's one. From reading the spark plug on the Ossa, it seemed to me that it was mapped correctly, but I might be wrong. I'll research more in that direction! Don't go too much by my suggestion. The ones i rode were a couple years old and they had seen better days Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
telecat Posted February 28, 2019 Report Share Posted February 28, 2019 (edited) We moved from an OSSA TR300i to a Vertigo Combat 2017 then on to a Fajardo 300. The fuel consumption has not been an issue. I wouldn't say the Vertigo drinks any more than any other bike we have had. We weren't that happy with the map on the Combat. It seemed a bit weak despite the factory sending a guy to remap it. The Fajardo is rather good but My Son just feels the engine has too much engine braking, a problem the OSSA never suffered from. The upshot is that My Son will be buying a TRS or Gas Gas which is a pain because the Ossa and Vertigo are that much better to maintain regarding Air filters and airbox cleaning. If the OSSA was still around and being developed we would definitely be buying another. We only had one Problem which was down to needing a TPS reset. One thing I haven't mentioned is that we use Shell V-Power 99RON fuel and have done for a while. It tames any pinking. Edited February 28, 2019 by telecat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
misscrabstick Posted March 2, 2019 Report Share Posted March 2, 2019 Call me old fashioned but does anyone really want or need fuel injection on a trials bike? it just seems so over complex and adds a whole load of reliability issues, for not much advantage. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sergioNMD Posted March 2, 2019 Author Report Share Posted March 2, 2019 (edited) In my personal opinion, there is so much advantage actually. You never have to adjust a carburator again, fueling is always right, wheater you are on top of the Alps or on the seaside, freezing or 40º celsius. Plus all the ease to custom fit the maps to your needs. As far as reliability goes, I've had the Montesa 4rt for 2 1/2 years, the Ossa for 2 years, the Vertigo for almost 6 months... That means 5 years of racing and riding intensely on fuel injected trials bikes, and I NEVER had a problem with injection, never needed a specialist to fix anything. I'll never buy a trials bike with a carburator again, if I have the possibility! Edited March 4, 2019 by sergioNMD 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsp Posted March 4, 2019 Report Share Posted March 4, 2019 On 3/2/2019 at 9:31 AM, sergioNMD said: In my personal opinion, there is so much vantage actually. You never have to adjust a carburator again, fueling is always right, wheater you are on top of the Alps or on the seaside, freezing or 40º celsius. Plus all the ease to custom fit the maps to your needs. As far as reliability goes, I've had the Montesa 4rt for 2 1/2 years, the Ossa for 2 years, the Vertigo for almost 6 months... That means 5 years of racing and riding intensely on fuel injected trials bikes, and I NEVER had a problem with injection, never needed a specialist to fix anything. I'll never buy a trials bike with a carburator again, if I have the possibility! Agreed, I had a beta 4t which started to pop and fart an bork out under load took it to beta and they sorted it out but couldnt tell me what they had done to sort it as they had done a few things to it which was the last straw for me so I changed it for an Ossa, I had two Ossa's with no issues with the injection system on either bikes, and I'm having the same experience with my vertigo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sergioNMD Posted March 7, 2019 Author Report Share Posted March 7, 2019 (edited) On 27 febbraio 2019 at 7:29 PM, heffergm said: I haven't had mine in a while ('17 Ice Hell) but the wet map on mine was ridiculously rich. I think you were correct. Checked the spark plug and it was sooty. Fuel consumption seems a little better with the dry map on, but it was suggested by the Vertigo importer that I adopt the 2018 map in place of the wet map, which should give less power but better fuel economy. Grazie! Edited March 7, 2019 by sergioNMD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacques blackburn Posted July 11, 2019 Report Share Posted July 11, 2019 On 3/2/2019 at 4:31 AM, sergioNMD said: In my personal opinion, there is so much advantage actually. You never have to adjust a carburator again, fueling is always right, wheater you are on top of the Alps or on the seaside, freezing or 40º celsius. Plus all the ease to custom fit the maps to your needs. As far as reliability goes, I've had the Montesa 4rt for 2 1/2 years, the Ossa for 2 years, the Vertigo for almost 6 months... That means 5 years of racing and riding intensely on fuel injected trials bikes, and I NEVER had a problem with injection, never needed a specialist to fix anything. I'll never buy a trials bike with a carburator again, if I have the possibility! Same as you, I have a 2012 Ossa Factory and no problems with injection and only had to change wheel bearings and evreything work well with the bike. I also have a Montesa 300 RR and no problems with injection. I mostly use the Ossa and I bought the Montesa because Ossa is no more in production and I fear for when I will need unavailables parts. It is very sad that Ossa could not continue to improve this incredible motorcycle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonnyjibs Posted July 11, 2019 Report Share Posted July 11, 2019 Sounds daft, but check the rubber seal on the inside of the filler cap hasn’t dropped out whilst refuelling...... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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