harryharls Posted April 16, 2019 Report Share Posted April 16, 2019 Hi, I really need some urgent advice (trial booked tomorrow!); I'm changing the leaking fork seals, I've done the right fork (rebound) no problem but now that I've got the left fork disassembled I can't work out how the spring comes out. I need the spring out to measure the correct air gap for oil quantity. I've removed the top cap and the conical plastic spacer underneath but there's another cylindrical plastic bush on the inside of the fork tube that the spring appears to be seated under. This plastic bush does not seem to come out, can anyone help please? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harryharls Posted April 16, 2019 Author Report Share Posted April 16, 2019 Alternatively I could just leave the spring in place and just fill with a specific quantity of oil in ml if anyone knows how much it needs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan williams Posted April 16, 2019 Report Share Posted April 16, 2019 That’s a new one. The spring is just loose in there and should just pull right out. If you compress the leg it should poke out the top. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lineaway Posted April 16, 2019 Report Share Posted April 16, 2019 (edited) I had the same problem the last time I did my seals about 45 days ago. Try about 340cc and call it good till you have time to fix it. I might get around to it myself this coming weekend Edited April 16, 2019 by lineaway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harryharls Posted April 16, 2019 Author Report Share Posted April 16, 2019 Yeah it's weird, should the plastic bush just slide straight out Dan? It's stuck absolutely solid in there, I've tried pulling up under it with a hook tool but it's just stuck :-( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harryharls Posted April 16, 2019 Author Report Share Posted April 16, 2019 Thanks Lineaway, I'm glad it's not just me then! I'll put 340cc in. It looks very much like the bush will have to be butchered and replaced Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lineaway Posted April 16, 2019 Report Share Posted April 16, 2019 I plan on cutting mine out. I ordered a new spring just in case. I have ridden 2 events since I discovered this problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harryharls Posted April 16, 2019 Author Report Share Posted April 16, 2019 To be honest I'm only concerned because I want to make sure the oil volume is correct, forcibly removing the bush could cause damage to the fork tube ? I think I'll just leave It! Thanks for the help chaps, I should be riding tomorrow ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan williams Posted April 16, 2019 Report Share Posted April 16, 2019 (edited) Yeah that’s weird. That bushing should just slide out. If it’s binding you might not be able to adjust your preload properly. Thinking a bit further it’s not even really a bushing. It’s just a spacer so they could use a shorter spring. Just out of curiosity did you loosen the top pinch bolt on the clamp when you tried to take it out? It shouldn’t make any difference as the tube should be strong enough to not deform from the clamp but stranger things have happened so... Edited April 16, 2019 by dan williams Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan williams Posted April 16, 2019 Report Share Posted April 16, 2019 (edited) I’ve noticed some odd tolerance type issues with the Sachs/Paioli forks so maybe they just didn’t machine the spacer right and stuffed it in figuring it would wear into size. Edited April 16, 2019 by dan williams Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dabba Posted April 16, 2019 Report Share Posted April 16, 2019 (edited) The cylindrical plastic spacer can get stuck in the fork tube. Leave the conical spacer out, back off the preload adjuster screw, put the top nut on a couple of threads and push down hard a few times on the fork against the spring. You should hear a clunk when the spacer moves. Chamfer the outer leading edges of the cylindrical plastic spacer before you refit it, but it’ll no doubt need the same technique to remove it the next time you do your fork seals. You’ll get a shock if you price new plastic spacers from Beta! Edited April 16, 2019 by dabba 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harryharls Posted April 16, 2019 Author Report Share Posted April 16, 2019 It's quite possible that someone had previously overtightened the top yoke clamp before I acquired it. I'm just going to go with the 340ml and pretend it never happened Good tip though dabba if I ever really need to remove the spring Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirdabalot Posted April 17, 2019 Report Share Posted April 17, 2019 Had the same thing on same forks. I did what Dabba did except I had to shock the spacer out of position by holding the stanchion in my hands and hitting the bottom of the slider onto a rubber mat on the floor. The spacer had expanded, I tried turning its diameter down which was too difficult because of it being so thin walled and flexible, so made a new one from nylon but with a reduced diameter. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter_steer Posted April 17, 2019 Report Share Posted April 17, 2019 Good evening, I had this problem on my old 2016 Evo. I used a blind bearing puller with a slide hammer and managed to get it out with no damage, I then rubbed it down with wet and dry until it was a much looser fit. For what its worth, Beta wouldn't give me a volume of oil, only an air gap measurement which was 130mm with spring out and 70mm on the damper side, which was 5mm more each side than the 2014 recommendation. I also phoned a Trials shop ( can't remember which one ) and they said that they always just put 300ml in each leg. I suppose if you start with 300ml you could easily add a bit more rather than having to try to take some out if you put too much in. Good luck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harryharls Posted April 17, 2019 Author Report Share Posted April 17, 2019 The blind bearing puller is a good idea Peter. I put 340ml in as suggested and just put it back together, it seems absolutely fine. In fact I cleaned all 24 sections tonight to win the trial, something I've never done before so it must be ok!! :-) 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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