faussy Posted June 12, 2019 Report Share Posted June 12, 2019 (edited) Has anyone got anything more positive than what's floating around the rumour mill? Edited June 12, 2019 by faussy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lineaway Posted June 12, 2019 Report Share Posted June 12, 2019 I do know they are really p****** off the die hard Gasser riders over here. Several guys were waiting for the new GP that never made it to the USA and with all the recent talk, are considering changing brands after decades of loyalty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbofurball Posted June 12, 2019 Report Share Posted June 12, 2019 Well, they're busy doing *something* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwb5151 Posted June 12, 2019 Report Share Posted June 12, 2019 (edited) I heard this as well, and apparently they aren't honouring their warranty. Causing a lot of people to change to a different bike. Edited June 12, 2019 by dwb5151 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Posted June 12, 2019 Report Share Posted June 12, 2019 Please keep this topic to FACT, not rumour and supposition. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigel dabster Posted June 12, 2019 Report Share Posted June 12, 2019 3 hours ago, dwb5151 said: I heard this as well, and apparently they aren't honouring their warranty. Causing a lot of people to change to a different bike. "heard" "apparently""a lot of people to change" dont let facts get in the way..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heffergm Posted June 12, 2019 Report Share Posted June 12, 2019 'News', whether it's reported by outlets, or passed by word of mouth, is a large part of what drives consumer confidence in companies and in the market. So I think that whether the specifics surrounding GG as relate to this discussion are accurate or not, it certainly points to a general feeling of uncertainty around the companies' future by those on the outside of things. And that drives buying choices. I bailed on GG for a few reasons, but one fact that played a part was that I couldn't even get a '19 GP in the States. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigel dabster Posted June 12, 2019 Report Share Posted June 12, 2019 (edited) 19 gps have been readily available in Europe, in fact i have one and so does a guy who works for me. The fact of the USA being such a small market yet vast distances and various changes of importer spares importer etc may well have more effect on availabilty than perceived "confidence". Fake news is fake news. Edited June 12, 2019 by nigel dabster 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cascao Posted June 12, 2019 Report Share Posted June 12, 2019 Poor communication from factory let space for speculation 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heffergm Posted June 12, 2019 Report Share Posted June 12, 2019 (edited) 12 minutes ago, nigel dabster said: 19 gps have been readily available in Europe, in fact i have one and so does a guy who works for me. The fact of the USA being such a small market yet vast distances and various changes of importer spares importer etc may well have more effect on availabilty than perceived "confidence". Fake news is fake news. Nothing has changed regarding GG's importers, etc. in the last couple years. The fact that you can get product is great for you, but a sample size of 2 isn't statistically relevant. The US got no 19 GP's: if that's GG just not bothering, that's their choice obviously. The distances involved aren't really relevant when you have established means and modes of shipping... every other trials bike manufacturer manages it, and the cost is explicitly passed on to us anyway. Edited June 12, 2019 by heffergm 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heffergm Posted June 12, 2019 Report Share Posted June 12, 2019 (edited) There's also this not fake news: https://www.elperiodico.com/es/economia/20190402/gas-gas-anuncia-recortes-en-la-planta-de-salt-por-menos-ventas-7387160 https://www.elperiodico.com/es/economia/20190508/preacuerdo-en-el-ere-de-planta-de-torrot-gas-gas-de-salt-7444459 Which is basically saying that GG filed to do a layoff based on low sales. Oh yeah, and Busto got dumped last minute. Why I haven't a clue, but if someone asked me to guess: Fajardo is doing better and probably costs them a lot less than Busto was, and they can't or don't want to pay for two riders/teams at the moment. Even if I'm wrong, the perception is there that GG is in trouble again. Edited June 12, 2019 by heffergm 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faussy Posted June 12, 2019 Author Report Share Posted June 12, 2019 (edited) They also pulled support from their factory enduro team. Ive thought for few years their enduro exploits must be very expensive, and possibly one of the main causes for their troubles. Development costs are probably higher than trials (with a bike largely unchanged since 2002 lol) yet their market share is a lot less in enduro as what they have in trials Edited June 12, 2019 by faussy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagle8 Posted June 12, 2019 Report Share Posted June 12, 2019 They seem to be going well selling Enduro & Trials bikes in Aus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post arnoux Posted June 12, 2019 Popular Post Report Share Posted June 12, 2019 Can I chip in here from a Gas Gas Importers view point. (Australia) Yes they have had some industrial issues with trying to reduce staff levels. The workers rights are very heavily protected in Spain, and a company cannot just dump employees willy nilly. There is very complex processes in the courts that have to be adhered to if any staff levels are reduced. (not a bad thing for the staff). This seems to be the at the crux of all the rumour mills. I believe Gas Gas are being proactive doing this so they don't end up like a few years ago with a workforce that far outweighs it's current production capability and they end up in debt. They are also in the process of moving everything back to the SALT facility just outside Girona. After the fire at the Salt factory the spare parts department was relocated, and some admin went to Torrot headquarters. They are now centralising everything back to the original premises. There was problems with 19 GP supply, as we had the same issue as the USA. We received far less bikes than our original order, but from talking to the factory they are producing bikes at capacity now. The Gas Gas Factory has one production line, so bikes are produced in "batches". There will be a month of EC enduros produced, then the line will be changed out for a few weeks of CONTACTS, then Kids bikes etc etc. So it is not easy for the Factory to alter future schedules if there has been supply issues. And as we would all be aware, a great majority of the parts that go into producing the finished motorcycle are from third party suppliers (Braktec, NG, Morad, S3 etc etc). If they can't get the parts they can't build the bikes. I have had great parts supply this year, there has been much better processes put in place in the back end for us with new parts ordering software, and better technical support, so I am confident that things are OK with Gas Gas. I know I am at the other side of the world from the Factory, but I see no signs of any mularky that these "rumours" speak of from where I am sitting. 10 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhuskys Posted June 13, 2019 Report Share Posted June 13, 2019 (edited) 5 hours ago, heffergm said: Nothing has changed regarding GG's importers, etc. in the last couple years. The fact that you can get product is great for you, but a sample size of 2 isn't statistically relevant. The US got no 19 GP's: if that's GG just not bothering, that's their choice obviously. The distances involved aren't really relevant when you have established means and modes of shipping... every other trials bike manufacturer manages it, and the cost is explicitly passed on to us anyway. Gas Gas North America (GGNA) is solely owned subsidiary of Torrot. I believe it is the only Gas Gas Distributor directly owned. This has become the KTM Model for National Distributors, and Torrot decided to do it for the North America. So if Torrot is putting the brakes on... GGNA is going to feel it more directly the other independent importers. Edited June 13, 2019 by nhuskys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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