Advice buying used EM epure or sport

[turbofurball]

Wasn't that back before they had the manual clutch?

[trapezeartist]

On 12/23/2021 at 12:06 AM, jrsunt said:

I don’t know what level you ride at, but the limit of what the EM is capable of is far lower than the current or previous generations of petrol bikes. A good example was when Michael Brown (ex British Champ, world no 10, Scottish winner, Scott winner) to mention a few, enterered a British Championship on one. If Michael had entered on his regular Gas Gas he would have been challenging for the win in the championship class, but due to the limitations of the EM he entered the masters class or trial 2 or whatever it’s called and finished nowhere by his standards. (Probably would have beaten me on a petrol though).
Until they drastically change I’ll stand by my words that they’re a step backwards.

Was he on a 5.7 or an ePure? If it wasn't an up-to-date ePure Race then it's not a proper comparison. How much practice did he have on the EM? They need a different riding technique so just jumping on is unlikely to bring a good result. I ride at a novice level and the bike is brilliant for me. Look at trialtube on youtube to see what an expert rider thinks of an EM.

Edited December 26, 2021 by trapezeartist

[HOOKYH]

Having had an older EM (2016) for a while now and competed in a Trial I have come across a couple of things I don't like in comparison to my sons Beta. 

Firstly is the lack of steering lock. Cost me a couple of 5s and contributed to a couple more. It does look like this has been changed on the newer ones. 

Next is that the fork angle seems steep and dropping into gulleys especially it feels like all your weight is too far forward. 

Final bad point for me is any situation where you shut right off then need to get back on the throttle there is just too much 'engine' braking. Trying to ride over a fairly big pile of logs this caused some spectacular falls while I could do it fairly easily on the Beta.

All these issues could be easily resolved by a decent rider I would think. 

There are also some plusses. Most obviously it opens up many more places to ride and the public don't seem to be offended by it like they often are by petrol bikes. 

Although I read about a lack of grip I haven't had an issue with it and find the no gears approach nice and easy. 

Maintenance is absolutely minimal although parts are expensive. 

It is a brilliant play bike and no doubt a very capable trials bike in better hands than mine. 

[motovita]

On 12/22/2021 at 4:06 PM, jrsunt said:

I don’t know what level you ride at, but the limit of what the EM is capable of is far lower than the current or previous generations of petrol bikes. A good example was when Michael Brown (ex British Champ, world no 10, Scottish winner, Scott winner) to mention a few, enterered a British Championship on one. If Michael had entered on his regular Gas Gas he would have been challenging for the win in the championship class, but due to the limitations of the EM he entered the masters class or trial 2 or whatever it’s called and finished nowhere by his standards. (Probably would have beaten me on a petrol though).
Until they drastically change I’ll stand by my words that they’re a step backwards.

 Bear in mind that e bikes are different and require e bike skills. Not to argue your point, but to expect a gas bike rider to jump off his bike onto an e bike and ride up to his gas bike level is unrealistic. In the near future we will see e bike specialists who can ride at very high levels. Kuroyama may be one, he was a top level bicycle and gas bike rider and I believe will be Yamaha's top e bike rider.