wobblenorbed Posted January 19, 2021 Report Share Posted January 19, 2021 (edited) I’m often told when riding trials that my 2016 4t is really quite. However, I have always thought that it was a bit “tappety”. Anyhow I decided that if I can’t ride it at the moment I might as well check the clearances on the valves. So I ran the bike yesterday and left it overnight to cool right off. Today I stripped the bike down and took the valve covers off to check the clearances and found that the tappers were really tight! So much so that it took a full turn and a half on the adjustment screw to get the feeler gauges in. Any how I went ahead and adjusted to the correct gap and rebuilt the bike. Now the bike won’t start and is really hard to kick over. In fact it’s like trying to kick a 1990’s Honda cr500 over. What have I done wrong? Any help will be great thanks. Edited January 19, 2021 by wobblenorbed Spelling mistake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topline620 Posted January 19, 2021 Report Share Posted January 19, 2021 It sounds like you have adjusted the valves when they weren’t closed so as a result the valves are now not opening correctly. I don’t know the correct procedure but somebody on here will. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stu109 Posted January 19, 2021 Report Share Posted January 19, 2021 Hi It's quite a squeeze to get to the valve adjusters and get a good measurement with a feeler gauge, did you drop the engine forward to gain access? There is a bolt at the front of the engine that engages with a recess in the crank at TDC. Did you use this to get to TDC to set the tappets? I agree rechecking may well resolve the matter. In addition the engine has an automatic decompresser that works on the valves. Has this been disturbed inadvertently? Stuart 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wobblenorbed Posted January 19, 2021 Author Report Share Posted January 19, 2021 Dropped the engine right forward, but didn’t do the tdc bolt. I’ll try again tomorrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timdog Posted January 19, 2021 Report Share Posted January 19, 2021 Did you set them while on top dead centre ensuring it was on the compression stroke.. must be on compression stroke 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wobblenorbed Posted January 19, 2021 Author Report Share Posted January 19, 2021 (edited) How do I know if it’s on the compression stroke? Also how do I check if I have disturbed the decompression valve? Edited January 19, 2021 by wobblenorbed Missing details Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stu109 Posted January 19, 2021 Report Share Posted January 19, 2021 Have a look at the manual for the decompresser details. (It works by keeping one of the valves open until the engine fires) It has a fine spring that holds it in the correct position for starting. TDC on the compression stroke has both valves fully closed and, consequently, there is a gap in the tappets. TDC on the exhaust stroke has the exhaust valves open (depressed). You should be able to see the valves opening and closing as you rotate the crank. Use the flywheel nut to turn the engine. Make sure you turn it in the correct direction to bring it up to TDC. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wobblenorbed Posted January 19, 2021 Author Report Share Posted January 19, 2021 2 minutes ago, stu109 said: Have a look at the manual for the decompresser details. (It works by keeping one of the valves open until the engine fires) It has a fine spring that holds it in the correct position for starting. TDC on the compression stroke has both valves fully closed and, consequently, there is a gap in the tappets. TDC on the exhaust stroke has the exhaust valves open (depressed). You should be able to see the valves opening and closing as you rotate the crank. Use the flywheel nut to turn the engine. Make sure you turn it in the correct direction to bring it up to TDC. Thank you for this. I will apply everyone’s advice and report back tomorrow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timdog Posted January 19, 2021 Report Share Posted January 19, 2021 Piston rises to top of stroke on compression and exhaust stroke, with spark plug out you can feel the slight pressure on compression by putting thumb over the hole, then align the marks when you know it’s the compression stroke. haven’t adjusted mine so I’m not sure of the timing marks used on beta flywheel. Some decent videos on YouTube of how to do it . Has to be compression as that’s when the intake and exhaust valves are shut. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timdog Posted January 19, 2021 Report Share Posted January 19, 2021 Also don’t tighten the gap so it nips the feeler gauge, just touching so it will slide in/out ok, Too small as gap is as bad or worse 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stpauls Posted January 20, 2021 Report Share Posted January 20, 2021 Best advice is to go on Youtube and watch someone do it. plenty to choose from, Step by Step - How to measuring & adjust valve clearances - YouTube Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wobblenorbed Posted January 20, 2021 Author Report Share Posted January 20, 2021 Okay, thank you all for your replies. I followed Timdog’s instructions and I am happy to report that the bike now starts no bother and is running great. However, I am still not happy with the tappety noise coming from the top end. I would much prefer the engine to run much quieter. Any advice on what to look for next now that I know the valves are adjusted correctly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reggie Posted January 20, 2021 Report Share Posted January 20, 2021 If the issue is just when the bike is cold, you could go to an oil with a lower first number possibly a 5W50 or if where you live it never gets very hot perhaps a 5w40 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wobblenorbed Posted January 20, 2021 Author Report Share Posted January 20, 2021 Cheers Reggie, Engine cold or hot doesn’t seam to made any difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stu109 Posted January 20, 2021 Report Share Posted January 20, 2021 Can you post a video so we can here it? May just be the usual sound of a 4 stoke. Other people are commenting on the bike's quietness so seems unlikely there is anything particularly unusual about the "tappety noise". Could just check that the cam chain tensioner is correctly adjusted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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