robson Posted November 30, 2022 Report Share Posted November 30, 2022 is there any fix for that? my 300 txt cannot stand by itself, I see in the package additional spring and some bracket but not sure if it's for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lineaway Posted November 30, 2022 Report Share Posted November 30, 2022 That is a safety feature mandated by the E.U. DOnt you love it! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robson Posted November 30, 2022 Author Report Share Posted November 30, 2022 oh so maybe that's why there is a second spring in the package probably not as strong... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtas Posted November 30, 2022 Report Share Posted November 30, 2022 (edited) Most side stands have 2 mount points for the spring at the bracket that mounts to the swingarm. One point self retracts with the spring and the other one allows the spring to go past centre and hold the stand in position. Edited November 30, 2022 by kurtas 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faussy Posted November 30, 2022 Report Share Posted November 30, 2022 12 hours ago, lineaway said: That is a safety feature mandated by the E.U. DOnt you love it! Dont think so, harleys were fitting retracting stands way before the EU was even thought of Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcman56 Posted November 30, 2022 Report Share Posted November 30, 2022 I had that issue with a 2016 Beta 4t. On that bike the spring would hit the end of a bolt when the stand was at full extension to make it self retract. A shorter bolt eliminated the self retract feature. I bought the bike used so am not sure if the long bolt was OEM or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisCH Posted November 30, 2022 Report Share Posted November 30, 2022 It seemed to be a feature of some Italian bikes. Ducati had them for a while. Certainly never mandated by anyone as best I know. I have ridden a lot of bikes over the years and only had this on a Ducati. My TRS had the two positions as above and would self fold or not as required. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reggie Posted November 30, 2022 Report Share Posted November 30, 2022 This sounds like something that should be covered in the owner's manual. or Your local dealer should be able to help you out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garygasgas Posted November 30, 2022 Report Share Posted November 30, 2022 the kit with the new spring and bracket should come with a different bolt as well . remove the little bolt and replace it with the one in the kit different shape to it. side stand then works as normal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lineaway Posted November 30, 2022 Report Share Posted November 30, 2022 https://www.louis.eu/en-eu/magazin/rund-ums-bike/schraubertipps/tuev Cannot be possible to drive off with side stand down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robson Posted November 30, 2022 Author Report Share Posted November 30, 2022 confirmed, stupid EU even here messed things up. I have in the package second spring and bracket which works as supposed to. Really I hope EU will fall apart soon... I had to replace/remove few kilograms of s@#$% to make bike ridable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnoux Posted November 30, 2022 Report Share Posted November 30, 2022 Yes it is possible to change. The self retracting side stand uses a shorter spring and a small what I could only describe as an "elongated kidney" shaped piece of flat metal. This changes the pivot point so the stand always want to retract. These two pieces need to be replaced with the earlier spring part number: BT14250GG-CAT-1 It is a longer spring. I am pretty sure one of the cup head bolts that holds the side stand bracket needs to be changed for a button head so it sits flusher as well. This allows the longer spring to rotate across the top of it and then the side stand will stay in the down position when put there. it then must be manually retracted. The folding stand is original on the Euro homologated versions of the bike, and the non returning stand was original on USA spec bikes (sold in USA, Australia, Japan etc etc). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robson Posted November 30, 2022 Author Report Share Posted November 30, 2022 Thanks, looks like in the drawing but cannot identify that smal steel plate with one hole, it was in the package along with spring and the bolt pic below, what is it for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisCH Posted December 1, 2022 Report Share Posted December 1, 2022 12 hours ago, lineaway said: https://www.louis.eu/en-eu/magazin/rund-ums-bike/schraubertipps/tuev Cannot be possible to drive off with side stand down. Virtually all motorcycles are fitted with an electrical switch which prevents the engine running whilst in gear and the sidestand down. The mechanical system of self retraction is not required. There are a lot of regulations that cover motor vehicles. In Europe where most countries are EU members this regulation is overseen by the EU as it simplifies the export of vehicles across borders. A short while ago the UK left the EU and now is implementing its own type approval system for motor vehicles. This is colloquially known as reinventing the wheel. It also means that motor vehicles and towed equipment will need to meet UK standards (actually it is even more stupid - Northern Ireland is seperate) to be sold in the UK market. This will increase the manufacturer's costs for the UK market and thus the price of motorvehicles, trailers and other towed equipment in the UK. For cars this starts in 2024. Thus far no date has been set for motorcycles. Cars imported from other countries (e.g Audi from Germany or Ford from Spain) will need to meet UK type approval. As the UK drives on the wrong side of the road it might not be too expensive as UK destined cars already are different to models for continental Europe. Motorcycles, well we must wait and see. I believe in the USA the different states have different rules? I read about trucks not being able to cross State borders due to the different sizes of spray suppresion (mudflaps)? Is that true or just an urban myth? You Americans should move to the same model as the EU. It would make things so much better for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisCH Posted December 1, 2022 Report Share Posted December 1, 2022 I guess I should have added that trials motorcycles are not covered by Type Approval requirements as they are "competition" machines. This is good news for all of us as whatever nonsense the UK eventually decides upon this part of motorcycling is not likley to be affected. Engine emissions are regulated by individual countries' test standards and by competition bodies like the FIM. Hence the introduction of fuel injection on some bikes to meet Euro 4 standards. In the UK the 'MOT' test covers exhaust gasses but in some countries there are different rules. France for example does not require the routine testing of motorcycles for mechanical defects. (Controle technique). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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