Venue cost

[bowellsyboy]

Our ground is used by a local trials club. Weee very happy to host, I’m just curious on how much clubs usually give the landowner? Is it done by number of bikes or just a set fee?

[lemur]

Respect is all I ever charge.  

[apriljo]

No charge to use our property, just a waiver to sign. In fact, we’ve spent thousands on equipment (chainsaws, weed whackers) to clear sections and trails and often buy lunch for volunteers at work parties.

[rabie]

it's a commercially sensitive issue between the hiree (local trials club) and whoever the land owner is.

some land owners are prepare to do a freebie, out of the kindness of their heart, other want a nominal sum, charity donation, etc while for others is a full commercially transaction - costing "real" money

for example major landowner like the government (UK : MOD / Forestry Commission) have long term established deals for hiring to motorcycle clubs via the governing body (UK : ACU), this formula includes a minimum payment and then a per rider fee. this has lead to trials on this land being rarer due to cost and requiring larger entries to be viable. but here in the crowded south east UK, some of these all weather venues in the winter that can part large number or riders are essential.

putting my other hat on as a club that owns land our costs to maintain and invest in our venue/site are considerable and hiring to other clubs/promoters are a key part of our "economics" that have enabled us to buy the site and conduct significant investment in the site

One caveat might be that there are many example where an organization has a great deal for a really nominal fee, that might not have ever increased, and then some factor changes and then landowners circumstances change (another generation, development, etc) and what was once a good / fair deal is now a pittance and we as a sport loose out.

[lemur]

The reason I have guests here is so I have people to ride with, it's as much for my benefit as theirs, weather is improving here for winter riding and it looks like lots of stud season left 👍   That's my retirement plan in action, if your plan is to host for profit I think you are doing it for the wrong reason, it needs to be driven by your personal passion for the sport.

[lemur]

On 12/12/2024 at 6:25 PM, apriljo said:

No charge to use our property, just a waiver to sign. In fact, we’ve spent thousands on equipment (chainsaws, weed whackers) to clear sections and trails and often buy lunch for volunteers at work parties.

You've set out great events and your contributions are greatly appreciated 😎 

[b40rt]

On 12/12/2024 at 3:30 PM, bowellsyboy said:

Our ground is used by a local trials club. Weee very happy to host, I’m just curious on how much clubs usually give the landowner? Is it done by number of bikes or just a set fee?

How much are you willing to pay for this information ?

[lemur]

How much would you pay to rent a trials bike at the venue with a hired guide, would be more interesting and as the renter how could you secure your investment in the likely event there will be damage to the rental unit and possibly the riders.   Risky motorsport business is complicated as soon as you involve money.

I allow a non groomed snowmobile trail through my property, also a freebie, also not a liability to me and there are hundreds in the same situation.  I rarely use it myself, snowmobile trails are boring but as the land owner the trail has never been a problem.