Tr1AL Posted Friday at 04:38 PM Report Share Posted Friday at 04:38 PM A Chinese motorcycle brand has bought Vertigo and it will be run in Europe by Marc Colomer and Xiu. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisCH Posted Friday at 04:45 PM Report Share Posted Friday at 04:45 PM The future is Chinese. The future is electric. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tr1AL Posted Friday at 05:14 PM Author Report Share Posted Friday at 05:14 PM 25 minutes ago, ChrisCH said: The future is Chinese. The future is electric. And fans of the Vertigo brand will be very happy as for £7000.00 you will get 5 bikes so plenty of spares available for when things break. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b40rt Posted Friday at 07:52 PM Report Share Posted Friday at 07:52 PM 3 hours ago, ChrisCH said: The future is Chinese. The future is electric. It's pronounced - hydrogen You have now been charged for this service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
konrad Posted Friday at 10:03 PM Report Share Posted Friday at 10:03 PM More information here: https://sjtrials.com/blogs/news/vertigo-bought-by-chinese-investors Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisCH Posted Saturday at 11:03 AM Report Share Posted Saturday at 11:03 AM 14 hours ago, b40rt said: It's pronounced - hydrogen You have now been charged for this service. Hydrogen will never ever be a fuel for small (less than 40t) vehicles. There are many technological reasons why. It has a role for large vehicles although the German experiment with trains (to which it is suited) saw a return to diesel/electric fairly soon (not sure totally why - see https://hydrogen-central.com/why-germany-first-hydrogen-train-is-partially-switching-back-to-diesel/) Hydrogen was (and still is) a massive lie by the oil & gas companies to pretend they are going green but still burning fossil hydrocarbon. There already is a perfectly good gas if you need it - LPG. Electric is most certainly the future for the light car market. China is the main manufacturing centre for electric cars and electric is 50% of their current domestic sales. China also is the main place of manufacture of PV panels and has a massive growing solar sector. Their government is committed to solar and is moving fast in that direction. China has terrible air pollution and little oil so needs to import oil or domestically produce cheap as chips electric from the sun. There is only one outcome of those variables. This is why the idiot Trump wants to tariff Chinese EV by 100%. The yanks are scared of China overtaking them as world no 1 economy. China will overtake USA soon, probably while the orange idiot is in power. Whatever. We are not bothered by such stuff as we like motorcycles, not cars (or trains). For trials bikes electric is a good fuel. Better in my opinion than liquid hydrocarbon for the majority of riders. For road bikes liquid hyrocarbon is a better choice. Road bike EV are thus far not much cop - too short a range and a bit heavy and clunky. Hard to see how current battery technology works for road going motorbikes. That might change, but for now I am keeping my Suzuki thank you. Road bikes are going Chinese. CF Moto is the brand of the minute (and doing well in the GP). The price advantage is considerable and the build quality good. We are at the turning point. Same place we were with the Japanese bikes in the 80s. However trials is not big in China. All I am aware of is the Tenaci Wong and it is going nowhere much. This industry news could be (I said "could") a shift. It would be great if China started to figure in trials a bit more and such an expansion would be good for the sport IMHO. So, to recap. The future is Chinese (CF Moto?). The future is electric (EM/Yamaha, Gasgas, Honda, OSET, Snow Leopard?) 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
micm Posted Saturday at 12:35 PM Report Share Posted Saturday at 12:35 PM IMHO Electric bikes are harder to ride than the petrol ones. The engine characteristics are still not as easy to use and they are so expensive. Ironically the quietness of the motor makes it harder for the rider to judge throttle response. The reason the German hydrogen trains stopped running was simply due to the lack of available hydrogen. Many years ago in the UK a hydrogen motorcycle was tested, no idea what happened to it. JCB have an excellent hydrogen engine for diggers it's a straight swap for their standard diesel engine. Refuels in about 2 minutes. Snag with hydrogen? It's a very small molecule and escapes easily. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisCH Posted Sunday at 10:49 AM Report Share Posted Sunday at 10:49 AM 22 hours ago, micm said: IMHO Electric bikes are harder to ride than the petrol ones. The engine characteristics are still not as easy to use and they are so expensive. Ironically the quietness of the motor makes it harder for the rider to judge throttle response. .... Which ones have you ridden? I found the old EM to be not so good as my TRS, but the new one is on a par or better. It takes a fair while to get used to as they are different for sure. Yes too expensive - hopefully the Chinese will bring the price down though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lemur Posted Sunday at 01:42 PM Report Share Posted Sunday at 01:42 PM They should start building electric motorcycles in some economically depressed first world country where the domestic currency is only worth 69 cents on the US$ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisCH Posted Sunday at 03:49 PM Report Share Posted Sunday at 03:49 PM 2 hours ago, lemur said: They should start building electric motorcycles in some economically depressed first world country where the domestic currency is only worth 69 cents on the US$ We don't have the required engineers anymore 😁 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lemur Posted Sunday at 04:35 PM Report Share Posted Sunday at 04:35 PM 41 minutes ago, ChrisCH said: We don't have the required engineers anymore 😁 Apparently China doesn't have the engineering or they would not be buying it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lineaway Posted Monday at 01:25 AM Report Share Posted Monday at 01:25 AM Not to worry about China made cars. In America we drive way too many miles for them to ever work. Besides no where to store the battery waste. The American consumer is already tired of the green dream. The car manufactures have thousands of new vehicles they are never going to sell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b40rt Posted Monday at 07:43 AM Report Share Posted Monday at 07:43 AM 6 hours ago, lineaway said: Not to worry about China made cars. In America we drive way too many miles for them to ever work. Besides no where to store the battery waste. The American consumer is already tired of the green dream. The car manufactures have thousands of new vehicles they are never going to sell. 😂😂😂 New world order, you will have no car, or paper money. Think Amish life style 👍 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisCH Posted Monday at 08:44 AM Report Share Posted Monday at 08:44 AM Americans are tired of their children. 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lineaway Posted Monday at 04:32 PM Report Share Posted Monday at 04:32 PM (edited) We don't have those issues way out here. My kids, grandkids and great grandkids. Edited Monday at 11:44 PM by lineaway 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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