atomant Posted May 25, 2006 Report Share Posted May 25, 2006 I always thought that steps would be the things you were strong at for some reason. My simple observation would be what let you down was the ability to get grip going up them slippery banks. I would suggest you get James Lampkin or Steve Saunders over to help you out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alan bechard Posted May 25, 2006 Author Report Share Posted May 25, 2006 Harder sections doesn't always mean bigger steps, more spectacular hill climbs, usually equalling more spectacular wrecks. Some of the hardest trials never measure on the "oh SH*&" scale at all. But the US needs to work towards harder sections to accommodate the possibility of a rider wanting to compete at the world level. It is a disservice to the up and coming riders who have the possibility to be at that level if the jump from NATC to WTC is too great isn't it? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Going along here, the same analogy works on local trials, and the thought that comes to my mind is, how many riders do we find acceptable to lose along the way, as we push the level up past what folks want (maybe "are comfortable") to ride? We had a debate this year in the STRA about some folks wanted more steps logs etc. while they wanted less tight, technical, through the tree's stuff. Should they be catered too, or do you just set sections to hard enough levels to make folks competitive on a national level? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the artist formerly known as ish Posted May 25, 2006 Report Share Posted May 25, 2006 You yanks should lisen to the Europeans! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> So I have a question for the Europeans, if most the rounds were held on the American continent, and one round each in Europe and Japan, could you afford to travel to them all? if not what would you do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the artist formerly known as ish Posted May 26, 2006 Report Share Posted May 26, 2006 I didn't think the question was a topic stopper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atomant Posted May 26, 2006 Report Share Posted May 26, 2006 I didn't think the question was a topic stopper. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> It is coz the answer is obvious and what you expected to hear and that is wouldn't go!But.. then again it depends on how bad you wanted to be world champ. If so, you would seek sponsorship and all other methods at your disposal to generate the funds to accomdate the travelling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the artist formerly known as ish Posted May 26, 2006 Report Share Posted May 26, 2006 So WTF are you lot giving the US riders greif about something that is for the most part not viable to them. Only option was taken by Bernie, and proved, if you can't beat them, join them. No need to do bugger all this side of the pond. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atomant Posted May 26, 2006 Report Share Posted May 26, 2006 Well forgive me Ishy but I thought it was YOU guys that were moaning that you cant produce a World Champion with the system etc that you are using. Dont bother me who wins the thing to be honest. I just like watching their extreme riding whoever they are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the artist formerly known as ish Posted May 26, 2006 Report Share Posted May 26, 2006 Dont bother me who wins the thing to be honest. I just like watching their extreme riding whoever they are. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I think the same can be said for the majority over here, they enjoy watching who ever. If the majority felt the sole purpose of trials in the states was to create a world champ, then I dare say the system would be arranged round that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sendero Posted May 27, 2006 Report Share Posted May 27, 2006 Atom. Dude. WTF? Come in, over. Thought it was ISHY!?! It's The Beave and The N-Gasm that desperately want American World Champs in our lifetime. That's TWO guys out of, dare I say, a thousand plus guys. All thousand plus of the rest of us just ride Trials when we can, help when we can, and READ with comprehension. Peace out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atomant Posted May 27, 2006 Report Share Posted May 27, 2006 Atom. Dude. WTF? Come in, over.Thought it was ISHY!?! It's The Beave and The N-Gasm that desperately want American World Champs in our lifetime. That's TWO guys out of, dare I say, a thousand plus guys. All thousand plus of the rest of us just ride Trials when we can, help when we can, and READ with comprehension. Peace out. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yeh, I can see thats the case, after I spent some time chatting to a few 'dudes' over your way it was evident that theres only a very small minority interested in the WTC from a riders perspective. The statement that came coming up was why aim for the world rounds when there is no paycheck untill you make it.By then you could have forked out many thousands of dollars so recouping that investment would be tough.Geoff seems to do alright doing his shows so maybe its us that have it wrong? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dman Posted May 27, 2006 Report Share Posted May 27, 2006 The Beave and The N-Gasm n-gasm... lmao You can't base the USA's opinion on a few loudtalking dreamers. (thats not just trials lol) I really don't know why we're still talking about this all. We had heated discussions before with 15 gazillion topics being taken over for said purpose, and now its happening all over again. deja vu baby! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mich lin Posted May 28, 2006 Report Share Posted May 28, 2006 Men, in school, sport, life and career, there are winners and losers! Participants and spectators, pros and amatuers. Life is all about choices, discipline and character or lack of it! That's been stated very profoundly here by other people than myself. You are either seeking excellence in anything you do or your simply passing time! Everything is relevent. Some are out for only a good time, which is OK but it won't get you far in life. Don't get me wrong, there is a time and place for everything under the sun. Don't however EXPECT the spoils of the winner, the benifits of the world's best, the main event athletes, the excellent if you are a good time charlie or a side show Joe! Joe may be a great guy or making a living but when he starts expecting the salery of the champion to ride,the works bikes and a pro minder, has he really earned it? That's what I'm hearing here, if Joe or Sally had the support of Raga or Laia how well would they do? Who cares, they have not earned that level of support to find out. Results not excuses, look how hard Wiggy is working without all the fancy support. Look at the results, they will get him noticed! A sports community in a country that cannot produce a stong team of male riders who can compete well against the ladies world champ and not be ashamed of itself has something wrong with it. Not everything is about money, life is also about self respect! A country without self respect has nothing. Earn respect, then everything else follows. Including the money,the works bikes and the pro minders. Is there any argument now why I came back from my first TDN in 98 saying that the US riders are the laughing stock of international trials competiton? People gasped and took offence to that then, now everyone must concede that I was right and telling the truth. It only took 8 years to prove my point but hey, I told you so! Do we change that image or keep on the same coures? You guys choose! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
denny crane Posted June 3, 2006 Report Share Posted June 3, 2006 It boils down to ------- Euros want to win WTC USA happy with local career--- I read it the other day " I hope to make a living at riding trials", bla bla bla would not a better goal be "I want to be world champ" There has to be somebody with a cazillion dollars whom could take his pick of young guns (SMAGE) and support a true USA effort with a 5,10,15 year commitment. It aint about money its about pride for your country, Like picken a young racehorse, years of training, money, etc maybe ya win maybe ya break a leg-- who cares -why die rich. Denny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perce Posted June 3, 2006 Report Share Posted June 3, 2006 It boils down to -------There has to be somebody with a cazillion dollars whom could take his pick of young guns (SMAGE) and support a true USA effort with a 5,10,15 year commitment. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Sorry but it's too late already for that generation, money & time needs to be plugged into the 8 - 11 year olds to give them a chance of beng on the pace in a few years time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mich lin Posted June 3, 2006 Report Share Posted June 3, 2006 Peirce, your right, I hope I'm wrong but it is too late for Smage and Webb. I sincerely hope I'm wrong though. Miricles still happen. Denny, your 100% right its about pride in your country! Sadly some in USA trials , including our national orgaizaing bodies have no self esteem anymore. They actually stand in the way of another American team of riders having a world championship impact. They are the problem not part of the solution. We have been working hard for almost a decade to change that losers attitude here in the USA. It appears that we are actually finally starting to make some headway. It would be grand if you would jump into the fight and voice your opinion about how important is is to have a winning US team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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