judyf Posted August 30, 2006 Report Share Posted August 30, 2006 good points, yeah the euro rounds do have an international class, the worlds should, because like you say the elite are elite,it wouldnt take much doing because they already lay out the junior route, and your point of the sections been more natural and raditioanl i agree 100%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
judyf Posted August 30, 2006 Report Share Posted August 30, 2006 ha ha,i ment to say "sections more traditional" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atomant Posted August 30, 2006 Author Report Share Posted August 30, 2006 As for section difficulty (sorry to repeat myself) but I think the answer is to move off the dry,grippy massive steps and put in more traditional sections where you realy have to battle for grip. I think this'd also solve the rule situation as stopping would put you at a disadvantage anyway so this'd discourage stopping/balancing.Just my opinion... This is something suggested a few times and its starting to sink in that its worth some serious consideration I believe. Anyone knows from club level that some good riders seem to get grip when others can't. Its certainly a fantastic skill/ability to have and the sections dont need to be silly either. It would certainly bring a few more current riders into the world rounds wouldn't it? Doing this would certainly make a big distinction from outdoor and indoor unlike what we are seeing now with the outdoor become more like the indoor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subira Posted August 30, 2006 Report Share Posted August 30, 2006 Its never going to happen!!! Never say Never ! Firstly, I think it needs something different as I have said before for TV. Could be something completely different to what we watch at outdoors for example. Very different I think. I worked for the Beeb a few years ago and got a good understanding of how programmes are commissioned. No established Exec/Producer would take a risk on something that isn't going to be a ratings winner - its too competitive. MotoGP came to the BBC after ratings were proved on BSB/WSB/MotoGP coverage on other channels. Eurosport has very little interest in Trials now, it gone to the graveyard of Eurosport 2 in daytime/early evening. There would be little/zero rights money - DIY SOS etc cost very little to make and will always draw more viewers than a fringe sport event. My own thoughts are that it needs to be an 'extreme' / Red Bull type pitch - dump the lycra, go baggy - goaties, piercings, grunge - urban events, City centre, concrete hazards etc, X-Games style - youth appeal. Sort of thing that would be on the Extreme Channel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordson major Posted August 30, 2006 Report Share Posted August 30, 2006 (edited) My own thoughts are that it needs to be an 'extreme' / Red Bull type pitch - dump the lycra, go baggy - goaties, piercings, grunge - urban events, City centre, concrete hazards etc, X-Games style - youth appeal. Sort of thing that would be on the Extreme Channel. I really do hope you are kidding there I think if anything trials needs to go more rural . 'goaties, piercings,grunge' the point of this topic is how to help the sport, not ruin it Just a thought... there seems to be a lot of talk regarding getting more TV time but I don't think it actually helps the sport that much. If a channel-flicker were to stumble upon a Eurosport trial and start watching they'd either be totally confused or watch the programme, think 'how do they do that , amazing' then forget about it and swich over to Eastbenders (or whatever it's called). Probably wandered a bit off track here but my point is that the Trials coverage on telly doesn't do much, if owt for our sport. Maybee the odd one or two viewers will take up the sport but that doesn't really make it worthwhile. Most people I know get into the sport through parents ride trials, friends, other family members e.t.c I think it's quite a specialist and small sport in both the numbers of people that take part and watch and actually we need to ask does the sport need to advance and be brought into the public eye. Personally I don't think it does as people who ride trials are decent people (mostly ) and I don't think it's worth wasting time trying to attract idiots to the sport. Edited August 30, 2006 by Beta120690 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
judyf Posted August 30, 2006 Report Share Posted August 30, 2006 agree also with your comments, free ride trials! check out outofsection.com, there going to try and get it in the x games etc, i think that will get more people involed in trials, more extreme! people like extreme, not slow, lycra, stoping starting, thats why trials videos have to be edited all the time. trials does have to go more rural, but also we need some kind of extreme events, to get more outside people involed, like crosser with the team xtreme demos, that would get more outside viewers watching and interested, like motocross have free style motocross, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atomant Posted August 30, 2006 Author Report Share Posted August 30, 2006 My own thoughts are that it needs to be an 'extreme' / Red Bull type pitch - dump the lycra, go baggy - goaties, piercings, grunge - urban events, City centre, concrete hazards etc, X-Games style - youth appeal. Sort of thing that would be on the Extreme Channel. Wild Idea - There probably is a market for it as well and I could see it working but it would add another discipline and not be a replacement for outdoors. Outdoor / Indoor / Extreme - sounds good to me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
judyf Posted August 30, 2006 Report Share Posted August 30, 2006 100% there is, it could be massive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordson major Posted August 30, 2006 Report Share Posted August 30, 2006 My own thoughts are that it needs to be an 'extreme' / Red Bull type pitch - dump the lycra, go baggy - goaties, piercings, grunge - urban events, City centre, concrete hazards etc, X-Games style - youth appeal. Sort of thing that would be on the Extreme Channel. Wild Idea - There probably is a market for it as well and I could see it working but it would add another discipline and not be a replacement for outdoors. Outdoor / Indoor / Extreme I can't see it happening and I don't see the point. Trials should be a struggle against the elements and a test of strength,endurance and concentration. The idea of 'urban' or 'extreme' trials strikes me as being two yobos racing over cars to get to the front of the McDonalds take-away queue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atomant Posted August 30, 2006 Author Report Share Posted August 30, 2006 I can't see it happening and I don't see the point. Trials should be a struggle against the elements and a test of strength,endurance and concentration. The idea of 'urban' or 'extreme' trials strikes me as being two yobos racing over cars to get to the front of the McDonalds take-away queue Alas, the hooligan element Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
judyf Posted August 30, 2006 Report Share Posted August 30, 2006 its a way to make trials massive! get more outside people into trials, have fun with it, still have trials as we know it, and all the points ive made i still stick by, extreme trials just opens more doors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordson major Posted August 30, 2006 Report Share Posted August 30, 2006 its a way to make trials massive! get more outside people into trials, have fun with it, still have trials as we know it, and all the points ive made i still stick by, extreme trials just opens more doors. As I said earlier though, why do we need to get more people into the sport? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
judyf Posted August 30, 2006 Report Share Posted August 30, 2006 money. its all about money. not just for good riders to get more, just so trials gets more global, like dougie lampkin best trials rider the world has ever seen, best motorcycle rider the world has ever seen! (i think) but he dosent get an 1/8 as much attention, money, credit as valentino rossi, ricky carmicheal etc, or jordi tarres (in spain) if trials gets bigger and global the oppertunities are endless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordson major Posted August 30, 2006 Report Share Posted August 30, 2006 (edited) money. its all about money. not just for good riders to get more, just so trials gets more global, like dougie lampkin best trials rider the world has ever seen, best motorcycle rider the world has ever seen! (i think) but he dosent get an 1/8 as much attention, money, credit as valentino rossi, ricky carmicheal etc, or jordi tarres (in spain) if trials gets bigger and global the oppertunities are endless. I can see your point but I think the achievement of winning 7 WTC's is more important to Doug than recieving credit . I think if you were to ask any aspiring trials rider what their aims are number one is to achieve the best possible results at the highest level, I don't think any that are too bothered about fame cos they're all down to earth lads(and lasses). I know the amount of credit Lampkin recieves is definently unfair, no arguement against that (especially when you look at how cr@p this country is at every other sport, in particular those pansy footballers ). I think a benefit of trials being so un-recognised though is that those involved in the sport are 100% commited and down to earth and don't get side-tracked by media attention e.t.c. Edited August 30, 2006 by Beta120690 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
judyf Posted August 30, 2006 Report Share Posted August 30, 2006 very good points, but all trials know that abit of money and credit would be nice sometime, i dont ever think a top line trials rider will being getting taken around in a private jet, or dating britney spears & swimming in a swimming pool full of cash, but just a little bit of credit and money would help riders pay the way, because lets face it, trials isnt cheap! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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